Hi Steve In the PCB bussiness its just as bad or worse, we started to get the same fees and a sharp rise in spare parts prices and service charges. What to watch for more is the unregistered software. I bought a expensive optical inspection unit 1 year old at a auction, we got sent a letter demanding we not use the machine and were threatened with law suit unless we bought there software licencing fee. The license was four times the price I paid for the machine. The 200k unit now sits in the back room. Expensive lesson. Robert Tarzwell megadawn.com --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 -----------------------------------------------------