Steve, because all things can not be contained in our written documents we have a little caveat that we invoke in similar circumstances that states something like; "consult a Referee", and we name those people specifically. This allows the Process/Product/Quality Engineers to make a decision as to whether they are actually experiencing a process indicator that is new/missed and worth controlling, or not. It also helps to eliminate individual interpretations in general. Sorry, but I think your inspector has performed a good service and deserves a real answer to your example. If I'm the customer and you deposited glue dots in an area that I have identified (maybe not very well) as a keepout for conformal coating because the board edge is used as a guiderail during installation and also to provide a ground, I'd be upset. Not all defects require rework/repair, but the questions should be asked and the Inspectors observations can be of value. Maybe your stencils have an approval process and you can already demonstrate acceptance of the extra dots? Who controls and approves the stencil file and how? If you're the right guy to make the acceptance decision then make it, but it's more important to demonstrate a process that has controls. Perhaps the Inspector can then perform a future process audit on a new program and demonstrate the control for you. I'm not preaching....I just didn't agree with some of the feedback and we actually have criteria that supports this as a defect. jb Steve Gregory <[log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] M> cc: Sent by: TechNet Subject: [TN] Adhesive where no component is loaded... <[log in to unmask]> 05/14/2003 12:28 PM Please respond to "TechNet E-Mail Forum."; Please respond to SteveZeva Hi All! The fun never ends... I've been involved in a rather heated (albeit silly, I think...) debate with an inspector here, about adhesive being deposited where there is no component loaded. As you may surmise from my posts over the past few days, I stencil epoxy, not dispense. For some reason, the issue has come up with one of my inspectors here, requesting that I get something in writing from our customer saying that it's okay to have epoxy deposits at locations where there is no component loaded. I told her that I wasn't going to do it because I didn't want to look silly asking our customer if it was okay to have a glue dot at a location that's not loaded. Her reasoning is that we're putting something on the board that's not being called out on the bill of material. My response is that the epoxy isn't called out anyway, but we have to use it to be able to process this board that has PTH and SMT on the bottom. "But there's no component there, so there shouldn't be any glue there." was her response. "But it doesn't make any difference, it's a non-issue" I calmly replied. We've been debating this for 2-days now, and I'm about at my wits end. There's nothing in the -610 or the J-STD-001 that says it's defect, or that it's forbidden to deposit epoxy where a component isn't loaded, and there's nothing in the documentation from our customer to keep the unused areas free from epoxy. I've already spent much more time on this issue than I ever thought I would. Why this issue has popped-up now, I don't have a clue. Me thinks it's much ado about nothing. What is your take on this issue? -Steve Gregory- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 -----------------------------------------------------