Genny, There are assorted crimp on pins for discrete wired that can be then inserted into holes on a PWB and soldered. Below is a path into Molex's web site for wire pin terminal products. Good luck - Ray Klein http://www.molex.com/cgi-bin/bv/molex/home_init.jsp?x=y&BV_SessionID=@@@@166 1036047.1050084299@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccfadcidddllijcflgcehedffgdfmk.0&langPre f=english&sNav=/cgi-bin/bv/molex/nav/mxleft_nav.jsp%3FBV_SessionID%3D@@@@166 1036047.1050084299@@@@%26BV_EngineID%3Dcccfadcidddllijcflgcehedffgdfmk.0%26c hannel%3DProducts%26familyOID%3D-9409%26chanName%3Dfamily%26frellink%3DIntro duction&mCnt=/cgi-bin/bv/molex/family/intro.jsp%3FBV_SessionID%3D@@@@1661036 047.1050084299@@@@%26BV_EngineID%3Dcccfadcidddllijcflgcehedffgdfmk.0%26famil yOID%3D-9409%26superFamOID%3D-8804%26pageTitle%3DIntroduction -----Original Message----- From: Genny Gibbard [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:21 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] wire assembly suggestions We have a midplane made of four interconnecting boards, involving time consuming detailed hand assembly to put together. Part of the interface of this board to other parts of the system is a terminal housing of 12 wires, 7 going to one midplane board and 5 going to another. The wires are about 2" long, soldered on the PCB end, crimp terminals on the housing end. Originally a 26 ga ribbon cable piece was used, but they wanted higher current carrying capability, so went to a 22ga ribbon cable. The ribbon cable is so stiff, that one prototype assembler suggested going to 24ga teflon coated stranded wire. The first few prototypes went fine and have exhibited no problems, but then it moved into production to finish off the proto build and give them experience with the assembly. Now it seems like on every assembly they are complaining some of the wires from the terminal housing are breaking off at the PCB. The terminal housing sits very close to the midplane assembly, once mounted in the chassis, and there is very little positional movement once it is installed in the product chassis. The wires are probably longer than we need, but you need some length to ease the handling of assembling this. The wires go in sort of a J shape, straight out of the terminal housing and then curving down or up and back to the vias on the PCB's. They were shown how the wires were preformed and routed off the boards to the terminal housing to limit the wiggling and strain they would go thru once they were soldered to the boards, and they say they've done that, but that they are still breaking. They INSIST we find another solution. Suggestions? Genny Gibbard ( mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ) --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 -----------------------------------------------------