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I would like to thank everyone for their responses.  I find it very important to get an outside perspective on things when you have the "big wigs" upstairs saying "We are supposed to be EXPERTS...we are supposed to find EVERYTHING.  Why can't we do that?"  (Grin)  I'm sure none of you have ever heard something like that.  Again, thanks for all your input! 

 

Rich Lasko

Badger Electronics

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Smith, Russell (US LA) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
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Subject: Re: [TN]
First Pass Yields

 

    You are so right Steve,  I knew someone would bring an example like that , I was thinking sorting coins by denomination myself , the apples are a great one too! . 

 Any time something is open to interpretation it is! Remember the infamous " that depends on what your definition of IS is "...

 

  I guess the point I am really trying to make is 100 percent inspection can be made redundant,if the manufacturing processes are controlled. It costs a lot of money to sort and scrap , or sort and repair. Money that should be spent in prevention, prevent a defect and you not only save that part, but the time would would have used for remake, can now be making you a salable product.

     It has always struck me odd in our industry , that a company will drop several million on AOI equipment , and never hire an engineer to use the data that can be generated by the AOI to solve the issues. I once worked for an organization that the VP said: "the only reason he had a quality department was his customers expected it". , and he didn't believe in process controls. (it goes without saying that company is no longer in business). 

 

Are we having fun yet ! , I once heard someone at Nepcon many years ago state that there were over a million variables and interactions in making a PC board. I think I would have been much happier growing Green Apples, but then............

 

best regards always , to the industry , that makes the world function!

 

My hats off to all of you that make it work no matter what it takes!!!  

 

Russell Smith

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Shoda, Steve [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:27 AM
To: 'TechNet E-Mail Forum.'; Smith, Russell (US LA)
Subject: RE: [TN] First Pass Yields

I concur with Russell, except 80% inspection effectiveness is not the best attainable.  100% effectiveness can be achieved. Visual inspection is dependent on the skill of the inspector and the complexity of the inspection performed.  For example, someone who can see in color can sort yellow and red apples with 100% effectiveness, but sorting ripe red apples is not as discernable and will not be as effective.

 

For electronics solder inspection, inspecting for bridges demonstrates very high effectiveness, but inspecting solder wetting is very complex and requires more appraiser training to get the effectiveness needed (and even there is an indefinite debate among the experts).

 

The 80% effectiveness phenom is taught as a rule of thumb, and is a good approximation to use when developing and working to error proof processes.  However, when applied to a particular situation, actual measurement system analysis is required before a conclusion regarding the effectiveness can be stated.

 

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Smith, Russell (US LA) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] First Pass Yields

Dear Rich:

        You are right, a 100% visual inspection is at best 80% effective, every time it is done, The big issue with visual inspection  is the effectiveness is extremely variable depending on the class of defects that you are looking for , and other items such as the visual acuity, training level,fatigue and moral level of your inspectors.

    What you might be looking for is From Juran-Melsheimer:

percent defects correctly identified =    d-k / d-k+b

    where d= number of defects reported by inspector

              k= number of good units rejected by inspector

              d-k = true defects found by inspector

               b= defects missed by inspector

                d-k+b =true defects originally in product.

 

    A simple test to show the effectiveness is the following :

assume that the letter "G" is the defective product in the following story. Allow someone to read the story and count all the "G"' s that are used. give them 3 minutes. There are eighty -five g , determine the percentage they catch and viola you have your effectiveness and accuracy. It should give you the ammunition you need

 

    WHILE STROLLING THROUGH A GLEN, A GIDDY ENGLISH

    GIRL TRIPPED ON A RATHER LARGE , ALMOST GIGANTIC

    FROG. THE GIRL STAGGERED BUT REGAINED HER

    FOOTING AND WAS ABOUT TO GO ON WHEN THE FROG

    BEGAN TO SPEAK AND GESTICULATE TO GAIN THE

    GIRL'S ATTENTION. "I HAVE NOT ALWAYS BEEN A

    FROG" HE CROAKED. THE FROG'S GREEN COLORING

    SEEMED TO GLOW BRIGHTLY AS HE CONTINUED, "I

    WAS ONCE A GRACIOUS KNIGHT, A GENTLEMAN

    CALLED GALLANT GEORGE GRENVILLE,BUT WAS

    CHANGED INTO THIS GHASTLY GREEN FROG YOU NOW SEE BY

    AN UNGODLY, MAGICAL GENIE. THE SPELL CAN ONLY

    BE BROKEN IF I GAIN A GIRL'S GOOD GRACES AND

    SPEND A NIGHT IN HER GARDEN." THE AGOG GIRL WAS

    SKEPTICAL, OF COURSE. SHE GAZED AT THE FROG'S

    PLEADING EYES AND SOON HER GIDDY NATURE GAVE

    WAY TO HER DOUBTS. GIGGLING,SHE DECIDED TO

    GRANT THE FROG'S WISH AND TOOK HIM HOME

    STRAIGHTWAY, PUTTING HIM BY HER GARDEN GATE.

    THAT NIGHT THE GIRL SLEPT GRANDLY AND SURE

    ENOUGH , WHEN SHE AWOKE THE FOLLOWING MORN-

    ING, THERE ALONGSIDE HER GARDEN GATE WAS THE

    GRACIOUS KNIGHT, GEORGE GRENVILLE.  WELL,

    STRANGELY ENOUGH, FOR A LONG LONG TIME THE

    GIRL'S MOTHER DID NOT BELIEVE THAT STORY.

 

 

Inspection accuracy is rarely better than 85%. If you add complexity, like other type fonts, different format , multiple colors , or distractions such as noise etc. the accuracy can be very low

 

With the complexity of the product you are dealing with and the number of defective opportunities per assembly, visual inspection is not the answer. It should  be used as a method to collect data to be used back in the manufacturing process.It sounds like at this point in time the only rapid band aid for the problem is to perform some type of testing. I fought many a customer about paying for inspection , and invariably they reply with " I am buying good product, how you assure I get it is up to you" . That should be accounted for in the original pricing .  

 

     If you follow modern quality theory then your guiding philosophy should be " If you control your processes, and all your processes are in control then you don't need to inspect the product."  of course this assumes that you are controlling the items that effect the outgoing quality of the product!      

 

 While all this seems an insurmountable challenge, the rewards are vast, and will carry directly to the bottom line of the ledger sheet  assuring that the company achieves it ultimate goal of amassing great piles of coin of the realm!!!!!

 

PS: I never was one for the "World Class" moniker, I always felt that we should strive for "Galactic Class" !  Yes in my  youth I was a Trekky!

Another overused phrase while I am on the subject  is "State of the Art" , Don't you go to a museum to see art? Wouldn't "State of the Science " be more appropriate?

 

Thanks all for allowing my ramblings on this dreary Monday Morning in LA .

 

Russell Smith

 

 

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 Good morning everyone,

 

I am having a debate with regards to first pass yields and how testing strategy (ie.. ICT or Functional Test) plays a role.

 

I am looking for any "factual data" or "industry studies" that have been done to show the difference in yields between a batch of assemblies that are subjected to only visual inspection and to those batches that receive visual inspection and some type of ICT or functional test.  I have my own internal data that shows the differences but want to compare that against the industry.

 

Summary - I have a customer that is expecting 99% First pass yield (including board functionality) to their facility but does not utilize or want ICT or functional testing done to their products.  Now the old rule of thumb that I've gone by for many years is that visual inspection is approx. 80% accurate and there are bound to be defects that slide through this visual inspection process.  To consistently achieve yields in the high 90%'s additional test strategies should be looked into.  Note: The boards in question range anywhere from 200 components per board to approx. 2000 components per board. 

 

Any feedback or published industry articles documenting the yield differences between visual inspections only and using ICT/Functional testing would be very helpful! 

 

P.S. I have a meeting at 1:30pm today (Central Time) so any feedback before then would definitely be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

 

Rich Lasko

Badger Electronics

 

 

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