I think there needs to be a job wanted and job available board created just for PCB Designers. Maybe there is some smart web designer out there that can create this? Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. TITAN SYSTEMS CORPORATION DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION 3030 Enterprise Court, Vista, CA 92083 Email: [log in to unmask] Website: http://www.dtwc.com/ Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 _______________________________________ Adjunct Instructor - DT210 PCB Design, RM E13 Palomar College , Trades and Industries Dept. 1440 West Mission Road San Marcos, CA 92069-1487 Tel: (760)744-1150 Ext 5584 [log in to unmask] http://www.palomar.edu/ _______________________________________ Member of the San Diego Chapter of the IPC Designers Council Communications Officer, Web Manager http://www.ipc.org/SanDiego/ http://home.fda.net/bbrooks/pca/pca.htm "Basic research is what I am doing when I don't know what I am doing" Wernher von Braun (1912-1977) German-US engineer -----Original Message----- From: Greg Hurley [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:14 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [DC] Job opportunities for PCB Layout Designers Karen, Here are my responses (and some opinions) to your questions: > > However, I have been turned down, becasue according to the EDD, > "There is an adequate labor market for your existing skills of > Circuit Board Designer". *The EDD are a bunch of clueless, uneducated morons that don't even know what a PCB Layout designer IS, let alone whether or not there is 'an adequate labor market...' The EDD runs on heresay and hyperbole and does NOT have ANY poll, or reference, or information on adequate labor market numbers. When the government tells us there is a 5% unemployment rate, it is actually a lie because they aren't including the numbers of unemployed who are re-applying for unemployment, or whose unemployment has run out and are STILL unemployed. They only look at the new applications. My hunch is that the national unemployment rate is closer to 10-12% rather than 5% (or whatever). Again, this is just my opinion/hunch. I personally wouldn't even bother fighting with these people (EDD), and rather go back to your original company and have THEM pay for your schooling or whatever you are planning on doing. **** > I am planning to appeal the decision. > > What I need to know is: > > 1 - Do most designers know of atleast one or more designers > that are currently out of work? *YES! ME!!! I was laid off in November - just before THanksgiving. **** > 2 - Of those that are out of work, have any of them lost their > jobs to design departments outside of the United States? *I would say that I lost my job more because of the current economic collapse rather than foreign design departments. I was one of 5 laid off from my previous employer (out of the original 14). **** > 3 - Do you believe that there are currently less design > positions now than one year ago? > two years ago? > three years ago? *I believe that there are less, because companies are trying to pull more work out of their existing staff. Even though, as far as I can tell, there is just as much actual WORK/projects (at least in the industries I'm involved in), there are not as many positions. THis has changed drastically (from my experience) over the last year. In the two years prior there was a rampup of positions required to fill all the work requirements of my previous employer (and other companies in the same industry). Good luck, Greg (also in California) ****** > > Thanks for your help, > > Karen Anne Cardwell CID > [log in to unmask] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > DesignerCouncil Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d > To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF DesignerCouncil. > To set a vacation stop for delivery of DesignerCouncil send: SET DesignerCouncil NOMAIL > Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives > Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional > information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- DesignerCouncil Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF DesignerCouncil. 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