Let me throw in my thoughts on this topic. There is an IPC Standard, IPC-OI-645, Standard for Visual Optical Inspection Aids. Let me just quote the 1.1 Scope: "This standard establishes the requirements, definitions, and certifications provisions for optical inspection aids and defines inspections grades that can be used as accept/reject criteria for the instrumentation used in an inspection process that uses optical inspection aids." 3.3.4 Operator Visual Acuity All candidates shall meet the following minimum vision requirements: a. Far Vision: Better than 20/50 per Snellen b. Color Perception: Normal as determined by standard color plates. All personnel certified to this standard shall be given an eye test by an accredited eye examiner to determine their ability to meet these vision requirements. Frequency of eye test shall be annually for persons 35 years of age or older and every two years for persons less than 35 years of ages, except frequency for an individual may be increased if so prescribed by a licensed ophthalmologist. Use of prescription lenses to meet the vision requirements is permissible. When such lenses are required, the certification card shall so state and such lenses shall be used whenever visual acuity is required. If a magnifying aid has adjustable focus and a viewer can focus the magnifying aid so that the viewer can discriminate the lines per millimeter resolution requirements of the magnifying aid inspection grade required from section 3.4.1 through 3.4.12 of this Standard without the use of prescription lenses, the prescriptions lenses are not required. Failure to meet these requirement shall disqualify a candidate from using a magnification aid. Hope this helps. Regards, Leo Lambert EPTAC Corp -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Steve MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:58 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Vision Requirements for Inspectors Carrie, Maybe we need a special "Whacking Stick for that too." The Inspectors "board of education." What's the TM 650 spec for mechanical stress testing? I don't have it handy. (Sorry) All I've ever "seen" in IPC, to actually address the thread a little bit, is referecnces to optics and methods required to perform inspections. Eyes are technically 'optical equipment' so it must be inferred, (Particularly in any ISO shop) that the use of properly functioning or "made-capable' apparatus is a requirement to perform any tasks leading to product realization, particulalrly when the apparatus are attached to your greatest resource.(Yeah, I'm the ISO mgr too.) I'd say that eye exams are great addition to any certification criteria but not just for inspectors. Try bringing in a local eye doctor to set up an "Eye inspection station" for the day. Make it optional, let everyone go through the course of the day, and maybe the doctor gets a bunch of refferals. (I doubt the Doc's will go for it, but hey, its worth a try.) But I can't see IPC setting a standard for that. What's next, the Lower GI joe spec, the liver spec, acceptable tolerance for nagging from your boss spec....wait that leads to mechanical stress testing again doesn't it?. Eyes need inspections too. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Morse, Carrie" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:44 Subject: Re: [TN] Vision Requirements for Inspectors > Hmmmm. > Randy, I see a lot of people on the road with driver's licenses, but, they still can't drive. > I recommend a more stringent means of ensuring that what an inspector sees and calls out as good or bad really is what he says it is. > > -Carrie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Bock Sr. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:41 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [TN] Vision Requirements for Inspectors > > > You may recall the initial NASA HDBK 5300 required all inspectors and > operators to have vision tested including color blindness tests. > > IPC does not require this that I am aware of. Corrected vision is really a > good thing both from a company and personnel stand point. > > As a part of the Training and Certification you could as a company policy > require > eye exams. After all, you have to take an eye exam for a drivers license, > std of commercial. > > Randy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 10:53 AM > Subject: [TN] Vision Requirements for Inspectors > > > > Technetters, > > > > We are bouncing around the idea to formally "Certify" our inspectors. I > have > > seen on this site several times that an "Eye Exam" is part of that > > certification. What exactly are they checking for during that eye exam > > (Color blindness, healthiness of eyes, 20/20??)? > > > > Would like to hear from as many as possible on the subject of the eye > exam, > > plus how you certify your inspectors. > > > > Thanks in advance for your responses, > > > > Carl Barnes > > Production Process Analyst > > 480-968-6790 > > extension: 4236 > > Page At: 602-201-1435 > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e > > To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet > > To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) > > To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest > > Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives > > Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional > > information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 > ext.5315 > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e > To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet > To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) > To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest > Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives > Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional > information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 > ----------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------- > Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e > To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet > To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) > To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest > Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives > Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional > information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 > ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 -----------------------------------------------------