Regarding re-cycling: define "a lot". Recyclers are pretty choosy about what they take or refuse. Often times refusing to take product they formerly might have due to market conditions. Remember, they still compete against raw material suppliers. I remember one city I lived in, you had to pay an additional $5 a month if you wanted to recycle. The $5 was to cover the cost of taking your recycled stuff to the county dump because the local recycler wouldn't take it. While I'm a fan of recycling (I don't even care if I get money back for recycling), I'm a fan only to the point that it makes sense. Economic sense. I don't like the idea of forcing recycling when there isn't a market for it. After all, who is going to pay for the recycling and where will we store all of this recycled material if there isn't a market to consume it. As a matter of fact, if we force recycling where there isn't a market demand (in an attempt to create a market), maybe we should start recycling kitchen grease because bio-diesel can be made from it. Energy resources are FAR more scarce than lead. As far as loosing resources to the land fill, well, they are only lost if it is dumped into the ocean. Otherwise, future generations will know where all that "material" is at. The recent call to recycle electronics has come about as a "path out" of going to lead-free solder. Appeals to ignore lead-free solder based on the lack of scientific merit have gone unheard, so the recycling angle has become a last ditch effort to de-rail the lead-free movement. Anyways, time for me to get off the soap box. Ryan Grant -----Original Message----- From: Ahne Oosterhof [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 11:12 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] information from European report on toxic metals So here is aan "Opinion" and based on the source, probably a significant one. But what is going to happen with it or because of it? Also form this opinion: This high abundance coupled with infinite recyclability ensures that it will be available for use for many generations to come. Should I conclude from this that we need to do a lot more work regarding recycling? Presumably, whatever lead (and other materials) goes to the landfill is lost. Ahne. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Joe Fjelstad Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 23:12 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] information from European report on toxic metals From : Attachment IX: Lead ............................................................ page 21 " The European Commission,Committee on Toxicology, Ecotoxicology and the Environment (CSTEE) has issued an Opinion concluding that the proposed ban is not scientifically justified." ( Above RE: Danish proposal to ban the import, sale and production of lead and lead-containing products in Denmark.) "Lead is a naturally occurring material and one of the most abundant elements on earth. This high abundance coupled with infinite recyclability ensures that it will be available for use for many generations to come. Many potential substitute materials have a much lower natural abundance and this fact was highlighted in a major report on possible lead-free solders by the US National Center for Manufacturing Sciences which stated that ‘low melting alloys usually contain high levels of bismuth and/or indium which are expensive and have limited availability. The use of bismuth- or indium-containing alloys raises serious questions concerning the long term availability of these solders and the related ethical implications of potentially exhausting the supply of an element’. Furthermore the production of bismuth requires the mining and processing of approximately 10 times the material required for lead production. From: Attachment X: Lead Oxide ............................................................ page 24 "... lead oxides have a relatively low bioavailability and uptake by terrestrial plants and animals generally occurs only at high lead concentrations. Lead is not bio-magnified in terrestrial or aquatic food chains." "Alternatively the leaded glass may be disposed of to controlled landfills. The lead oxide is tightly bound in a glass matrix and is therefore not available for uptake by the environment." "Several studies have shown that leaching of lead from landfill occurs at very low levels. A project by AWD Technologies Inc. sampled leachate concentrations from municipal landfills across the United States and found that in every case the concentration was below the maximum allowed limit. Other studies conducted on landfill waste, including a 1993 Toxicological Profile of Lead conducted by the US Department of Health and Human Services, have concluded that the health concerns from landfilled lead are minimal." Source: Guidance Document on the Appliance of Substances under Special Attention in Electric & Electronic – Products Published in co-operation by European Chemical Industry Council (CEFIC) European Association of Consumer Electronic Manufacturers (EACEM) European Electronic Component Manufacturers Association (EECA) European Information and Communication Technology Association (EICTA) European Association of Metals (EUROMETAUX) Released Version: 01 August 24, 2000 --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 -----------------------------------------------------