I think that is the question(s) we all have been asking ourselves.  What is good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak.  As has been stated, we all at one time or another have used pages(s) of documents for training, MRB justification, design aids, mfg aids.  While Earl may have come close to the quick, I do believe he had resolved this issue with IPC.   So much has been posted on this it is hard to keep track of it all.
 
Randy Bock Sr.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: [log in to unmask]>Dieselberg, Ron
To: [log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TN] It ain't over til it's over so now it's over

Well folks, it seems to me that IPC is the one who has used "others" drawings. Us old timers who remember MIL-STD-454, Marshall,s A10509300 and miriods of other sketches and drawings in specifications can find the same or nearly the same drawing or sketch in the IPC documents. Just who is the "copy cat" here? If these sketches and drawings were public domain in Mil and Gov specs how can IPC prohibit Mr. Moonman from using them in his document? What am I missing here?

Ron Dieselberg
CMC ELECTRONICS
CINCINNATI
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-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Moon [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 16:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [TN] It ain't over til it's over so now it's over


Folks,

I will refund all your money sent me for my book DFM/CE. However, I will
continue with the book using other than IPC graphics. Apparently it was ok
to publish free check lists with IPC graphics and references to IPC
guidelines - according to Jack Crawford. Unfortunatly for us all, I think,
the following message from IPC's own David Bergman will delay my books'
publication for a short time as I had planned on such action while thinking,
obviously wrong, the book would help many - INCLUDING THE IPC:

Dear Mr. Moon

I have had the opportunity to review your document "Proof of Design- The
DFM/CE Book for Printed Circuit Boards, Assemblies, and All Manner of Other
Things Technical."  This document contains material that is copyright of IPC
and has been reproduced without permission of IPC.  IPC request that you
cease and desist all distribution of this document, and that you remove the
IPC tables and illustrations prior to any future release.

Sincerely,

David W. Bergman, CAE
Vice President, Standards, Technology & International Relations
IPC
2215 Sanders Road #250
Northbrook, IL  60062-6135    USA
Direct Phone 847-790-5340
IPC Main Phone 847-509-9700
Direct Fax 847-504-2340
Mobile 847-867-1388
email  [log in to unmask]
IPC website www.ipc.org

[David Bergman] cc Denny McGuirk IPC President
Henry Schaffer, IPC Legal Counsel.

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