or not to watch their coffee mug use A200? >-----Original Message----- >From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ingemar Hernefjord >(EMW) >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:53 AM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: [TN] Cleaning Solvent for Military Product > > >So thought we. I've told the guys not to add A200 in lunch coffee any more. >Ingemar > >-----Original Message----- >From: Crepeau, Phil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >Sent: den 9 augusti 2002 02:09 >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: [TN] Cleaning Solvent for Military Product > > >hi, > >zestron states specifically that vigon a200 is surfactant free, >and that it is composed of long chain alcohols. environmentally >friendly is another claim they make. no mention of saponifiers. > >phil > >-----Original Message----- >From: Guy Ramsey [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:59 PM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: [TN] Cleaning Solvent for Military Product > > >Brain, >I was shocked by this response. We have been using Vigon A200 here for a >couple of years. >The products HMIS rating is 0,0,0. We do not know of any special >protection or training that is required. The cleaning agent seems easy >and safe to use. The MSDS is pretty straight forward. We understand >that the solvent contains VOCs, but are unaware of any issues associated >with the waste streams. Granted, the contamination which can vary, but >our understanding that the material is easily biodegradable. >Additionally, Vigon A 200 was not presented to us as a saponifier but a >chemistry which allows reuse. > >I would really appreciate knowing about the toxic character of the >material, and any precautions that we should be using. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of b_ellis >> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:18 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [TN] Cleaning Solvent for Military Product >> >> >> Ingemar >> >> Vigon A200 is an excellent saponifier, but, like all >> saponifiers, requires caution in its use. It is very basic >> and is quite toxic. Unlike most organic saponifiers, it does >> not use MEA, but it does have an analogic amine, with more >> carbon. Operator protection is a must. It is also a VOC. I >> can recommend its use, but only in suitable equipment and >> with correct operator protection and training. >> >> Brian >> >> "Ingemar Hernefjord (EMW)" wrote: >> > >> > Hi Doug and Poh, >> > another good source is this : http://www.zestron.com/us/index.htm >> > we use Vigon A200, waterbased, environment acceptable, for >> military requirements, works rather well. But, as Doug says, >> there is no do-it-all medium. >> > regards >> > Ingemar Hernefjord >> > Ericsson Microwave Systems >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [log in to unmask] >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >> > Sent: den 6 augusti 2002 14:30 >> > To: [log in to unmask] >> > Subject: Re: [TN] Cleaning Solvent for Military Product >> > >> > Poh, >> > It depends a great deal on what soils you are cleaning and what >> > susceptibilities the substrate may have (e.g. susceptible >> to water). >> > In terms of alternatives to HCFCs there are >> hydrofluoroethers (HFEs), >> > hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs), and some aliphatic hydrocarbons. >> I suggest >> > that you talk to either Kyzen Corporation (www.kyzen.com) >> or Petroferm >> > (www.petroferm.com). They are the experts in cleaning chemistries >> > available. >> > >> > Doug Pauls >> > Rockwell Collins >> > >> > Poh Kong Hui <[log in to unmask]>@ipc.org> on 08/05/2002 >> 09:46:08 AM >> > >> > Please respond to "TechNet E-Mail Forum." >> <[log in to unmask]>; Please respond >> > to Poh Kong Hui <[log in to unmask]> >> > >> > Sent by: TechNet <[log in to unmask]> >> > >> > To: [log in to unmask] >> > cc: >> > >> > Subject: [TN] Cleaning Solvent for Military Product >> > >> > Hi All, >> > >> > I understand there are still many contractor for making Military >> > product is still using HCFC. Some of the customer request >> us to use, >> > for example Genesolv 2004. >> > >> > I wander whether, what other solvents than HCFC can be and commonly >> > used for cleaning Military board. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Poh >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ----------- >> > >> > Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV >> > 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] >> with following >> > text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To >> > temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to >> > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) >> > To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to >> > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest >> > Search the archives of previous posts at: >> > http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site >> > http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or >> > contact Keach Sasamori at 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