Well put.... ----- Original Message ----- From: b_ellis <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 5:09 AM Subject: [TN] Copyright: hey, guys, cool it off! > I believe that all the arguments put forward are valid. However, there > is one point that seems to have been forgotten: precedent. If the IPC > lets Earl Moon reproduce parts of documents without PRIOR permission and > without a POST-challenge, then a legal precedent has been set. I could > then reproduce every IPC document under my own name, sell them and make > a hefty profit (by undercutting the IPC). When it came to court, my > lawyer would then quote the precedent and argue that what's sauce for > the goose is sauce for the gander. I can therefore understand Dave's > message. > > In my experience, the IPC is not a wicked money-grubber and I feel sure > that if they had been asked beforehand for this diagram or that graph to > be reproduced, they would have said yes, on condition that > acknowledgement of the source was made. Something like "(C) IPC 199x > from IPC-A-600, reproduced with permission", in small letters under the > figure, should do the trick. > > Moonman has placed himself in an unenviable situation, by infringing a > declared copyright for publication. The elegant way out of this > situation would be for him to eat humble pie and ask the IPC for an a > posteriori permission, explaining that it was done in innocence. If they > grant it, with or without conditions, well and good: in this case, > acknowledgement would be courteous, even if not imposed. If they don't, > then Earl will have no choice but to withdraw the litigious material. > Also, it is not permissible to simply copy a graph, so that it looks > different: the data behind the graph is also copyright. However, I > respectfully suggest that Earl checks through his work to make sure that > he has not incorporated any other copyrighted material (text or > diagrams) by accident, because a multiple suit against him will be quite > costly. It should never be forgotten that it is not a legal requirement > to declare any publication is copyright, although it is wise to do so. > Strictly speaking, even this e-mail is copyright, though this would > never be enforced. > > I respectfully suggest we all cool down now, stop the vituperations, > either pro or con, and let Earl and the IPC discuss and, hopefully, > agree on terms without any third parties making life difficult for > either party by morally pressuring them. > > Brian > > A question has been raised about references: it is perfectly permissible > to quote a reference, giving the author, title of a copyrighted work, > date etc. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e > To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet > To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) > To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest > Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives > Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional > information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------