Hey, people, we seem to be losing sight of the forest as we wrestle with a tree--- or something. All of us contribute when we participate and the results belong to all of us --- the membership ---- not to some of us and not to a few of us. The issue is straightforward ---- we want our efforts protected against anyone using for public access, with or without personal gain, that which we worked hard to produce without seeking our permission first. We'd be quite correct in criticizing the IPC Staff if they failed to confront anyone who violates the simple issue of copyrights ---- our copyrights. Whether or not permission is granted is an altogether different issue ----- the initial request is what we are dealing with. Permission was not sought ---- usage was challenged and ordered stopped. Whatever resolution to this situation could have and should have been pursued privately instead of taking it to this forum where we rapidly excurd into non-issues like why we belong to associations and why we need staff to do the work we simply could not do for ourselves. To those who feel that the staff is overpaid and/or underworked or less than fully efficient at what they do ----- discuss it with our leaders----starting with the Chairman of the Board. It's still the responsibility of the Board of Directors to establish policies that govern our association and the final approval of those policies rests with us. Do something constructive if you're not happy ---- that's why you pay your dues --- or your company pays its dues. And, above all, find out why we're a non-profit or not-for-profit association. With thanks to all of you who contribute --- and to the IPC Staff for being there to harness the talents, skills and intelligence that makes our inustry so great ----- Best to all of us Bernie Kessler Bernard Kessler & Associates, Ltd 714-898-8422 562-598-5563 Fx: 562-431-1741 www.home.earthlink.net/~bkesslerbka Service is our Profession --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------