Dave, I too, understand now that you have explained the RF "monster". One of the best things for me to do was to always use the best practices data for starting points and baseline measurements. From there, I would do each component type, then each subtype. Like I said, I just understood the machine and just got to where I could receive native CAD on Monday and have a working program on Wednesday, with a false call rate of 1-4%. Earl is right, though. Look at your most critical parts first for reliability of process data and in 10 or so boards, you can have real nice "tweaked" program for looking at other parts. Jason Gregory Production Supervisor LaBarge Inc. (918)459-2367 [log in to unmask] Dave Hornback <[log in to unmask]> on 08/15/2002 12:59:09 PM Please respond to "TechNet E-Mail Forum." <[log in to unmask]>; Please respond to Dave Hornback <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: (bcc: Jason Gregory/LABARGE) Subject: Re: [TN] Benefits of auto 5DX on proto builds We proto 50-100 units initially, we need this large of a sample to get meaningful data and dial in tunable component values (RF circuits). We then do a pre-production build of 200-300 units to dial in the mfg process. If all has gone well the product then goes to high volume. My goal is to reduce process problems with the initial proto-builds so that I don't have circuit designers debugging SMT problems. My intent with this e-mail thread is to understand how other folks have improved this part of the development process. Thanks, Dave At 12:55 PM 8/14/2002, Earl Moon wrote: >Great machine, this 8000 pound hunk. Still a "bit" slow in all areas. So >much work for it to do so I always use a sample scan. If it looks good on a >few BGA's for example concerning ptototypes, and a few other parts, I let >them go. 50 to one hundred units strikes me as being just a bit more than >prototpes. > >MoonMan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Hornback" <[log in to unmask]> >To: <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:27 PM >Subject: [TN] Benefits of auto 5DX on proto builds > > > > I have perceived automated 5DX inspection as a good high volume tool but > > not agile enough to support proto builds. We do manual 5DX inspection on > > early proto's but there are 300-400 components (including 6 BGA's) with > > 1200-2000 defect opportunities. Does anyone on this list use automated >5DX > > successfully on proto builds of 50 to 100 units? 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