Ain't no thang Peter. I just get pissed off when we get all emotional and sappy about something that ain't emotional and sappy. We're talking technology and money - period and some people will play an emotional situation to the hilt. That's BS - period. Now, having said that, let the emotions pour forth. Still, I'm really feeling bad about people out of work or about to loose whatever jobs they might still have. I know people, as do you, flipping God Damn burgers or delivering pizza now. Whay shit that! They once were good engineers with masters degrees or whatever. Certainly, none of them had MBA's. They're off scott free but for those having shot themselves in their worthless heads or who are, unlikely, about to be locked up but because they have too much money to keep them out of jail. I watch people making one third of what they made two years ago. It makes me sick just as our greedy bastard leaders make me sick. Singapore, China, Taiwan, The Rock - it don't make a difference as we're all in this together but still carping personal crap. So, let's get on with it and start cooperating for the right reasons, if there are any. My book talks to design for manufacturing through concurrent engineering. Doesn't concurrence mean cooperation? MoonMan --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------