David, I would appreciate it if you could make this publication available to me. Guide me to the appropriate web site. Victor, -----Original Message----- From: David Douthit [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 12:46 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Request for examples of bad practice Martin, David Douthit's recent story ("Help make a difference") is fairly rare. That was Ken Carlile's story. I was sympathizing with him. As to your issues there is an August 2001 report that simply states COTS hardware is neither safe nor reliable enough to use in mission/flight critical systems. This report was paid for by the FAA. They are not "happy campers"!! If you would like a copy I have it in electronic (PDF; 125 pages) format. David A. Douthit Manager LoCan LLC +++++++++++++++++++++ Martin Tarr wrote: Dear Colleagues >From time to time on TechNet I have been very interested to read of people's experiences with designs that left something to be desired, whether it is from board fabrication, assembly or Design for Test perspective. My challenge, as one of the contributors to a PCB design course, is to tell people how to do things properly. It has been very useful from this perspective to have Earl Moon's latest offering as an example of the kind of checks which it is advisable to do before diving into the pool. As you would expect, most information says how to do it, and very few folk are prepared to hold their hand up and say that "my design was less than perfect"! David Douthit's recent story ("Help make a difference") is fairly rare. What I would love to do is to be able to illustrate points of bad design, and I wonder if anyone has examples which they could let me use for student training. Ideally I am looking for physical samples, but clear high-definition photographs would also be of relevance. Obviously I would be happy to acknowledge the names of the guys and the companies who are able to help, and would be very sensitive about not exposing the names of designers/design houses, to protect the guilty . . . If anyone is able to help, perhaps they would contact me off-line. Grateful thanks for your help. 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