jk, You are so wise ever providing sage advice. I sure would like to be able to do that. Actually, I'd just settle for everyone being experts in their realm of technology and apply concurrent engineering to the DFM process. So my designer never walked the walk. I'd just settle for him/her to talk the talk with other experts while listening to their answers so they could understand and apply them to a design. Oh, and Joyce, don't listen to Carlile. Though I work with him daily and really am proud of it, he has a few character flaws. Hell, he has many of mine. Maybe that's why I like the guy. You, on the other hand, have no flaws I can detect. Enjoy, Earl --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------