It's almost purgatory or, maybe hell, but it takes all those young innovators to want to listen to those a bit more experienced. It's often just way too easy to point fingers instead of trying to see the light. That's part of the problem. Another is engineers moving into management leaving behind not a very good legacy new engineers can inherit. Of course recessions, and all that go with them as layoffs, etc. have a negative impact as well. Then, people retire and take it all with them leaving a void newcomers must fill. Earl --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------