Peter, back when Earl Moon and I were in diapers there were no plated through holes. As we came out of the caves BC said "lets get more parts on these PWB's by making the holes conductive". We crammed eyelets and/or tubelets into the holes thus creating an electrical path through the hole. Later someone got the Idea to plate the inside of the holes chemically and make them interfacial connections as well. Wow what a revelation! Holes with conductive innards where you can solder parts into boards "with the greatest of ease". Next came multilayer PWB's and PTH's through the board and attached to circuits inside too! Wow what a revelation. And look where we are now. Unbelievable that we have come so far in just a couple of diaper changes, and BC says "it is good". And that is how I remember it, even though I suffer from "old timers" disease. Ron Dieselberg Trainer/Auditor CMC ELECTRONICS CINCINNATI [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 22:18 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Definition of Supported/ unsupported hole Looking at the correspondance on this, there seem to have been two different definitions of what is a supported hole and what is an unsupported hole. One definition talks of plated barrels and unplated barrels, while the other definition talks of pads - one or none for unsupported and two for supported. Majority rule goes with the plating definition (my own understanding of the difference between supported and unsupported holes), but I am interested to know the origins of and resons for two such different definitions. Anyone have a light they can shed on this? Peter "Mcmaster, Michael" <[log in to unmask]> 26/06/2002 08:14 AM Sent by: TechNet <[log in to unmask]> Please respond to "TechNet E-Mail Forum."; Please respond to "Mcmaster, Michael" To: [log in to unmask] cc: (bcc: DUNCAN Peter/Asst Prin Engr/ST Aero/ST Group) Subject: Re: [TN] Definition of Supported/ unsupported hole So if it's unplated, why does an unsupported hole have a breakout (or more appropriately a "no breakout") requirement (IPC-6012 Table 3-5)? ---------- From: Neda Thrash[SMTP:[log in to unmask]] Reply To: TechNet E-Mail Forum.;Neda Thrash Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:36 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Definition of Suported/ unsupported hole Peter, a supported hole in a PWB is plated through the board according to IPC-T-50 (Terms and Definitions for Interconnecting and Packaging Electronic Circuits) " or otherwise reinforced". The unsupported holes do not contain plating. >>> [log in to unmask] 06/25/02 02:22PM >>> Technet, Can anyone explain the difference between a supported and unsupported hole on PCB? I am reading a section on IPC-A-600 RevF and section 2.10.3/4 specify difference acceptance criteria according to the hole type. 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