George, Bill has done nothing wrong and I really appreciate his information. Without which, people like us on the other part of the world would not able to "catch" up with what you guys are doing. A big Thanks to you, Bill :8) Regards - Wee Mei "Brooks,Bill" wrote: > Didn't mean to 'Tick u off', George.... :) > > By way of explanation, > I advertise the meeting on the national board just like everyone else > does....so others in the DC know what's going on in San Diego.... You > certainly can contact Tony Shoot yourself and see if he wants to come to > your area and do a presentation there... :) > > In Fact, I think he would LOVE to do that.... So don't be upset with the > messenger...ok? Contact Tyco and get your chapter a date with them... they > have a number of educational activities going that your chapter can arrange > to take advantage of... > > Oh and I am not keeping the data from anyone that requests it... I even sent > you a copy.... but Tony did not give me permission to post his material on > the web or send it out like spam to the whole world.... he just said to > forward it to those who requested it.... That's what I have done, in good > faith to Tony. > > Cheers! > > Bill Brooks > PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. > TITAN SYSTEMS CORPORATION > DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION > 3030 Enterprise Court,Vista, CA 92083 > Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 > Adjunct Instructor - PCB Design > Palomar College, 1440 West Mission Road > San Marcos, CA 92069-1487 > http://www.palomar.edu/ > Member of the IPC Designers Council > http://dc.ipc.org/ > Executive Board > Steering Committee > Education Committee > San Diego Chapter of the IPC Designers Council Core Group > Board of Directors, Communications Officer and Webmaster > <http://www.ipc.org/SanDiego/> > <http://home.fda.net/bbrooks/pca/pca.htm > > -----Original Message----- > From: [log in to unmask] > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:32 PM > To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask] > Subject: RE: [DC] BGA Routing Strategy > > <OPINION> > That's really great for people who don't live in San Diego. Why advertise > your meeting on the national list and then refuse to offer a resource to > other areas when they ask. If you don't want other designers to ask for the > information, don't advertise it on the national list. > > I thought one of the primary "missions" of the Designer's Council was to > encourage information exchange between designers. Not just San Diego > designers, not Just Designer Council designers, ALL designers. > </OPINION> > > -- > George Patrick > Tektronix, Inc. > Central Engineering, M/S 39-512 > P.O. Box 500 > Beaverton, OR 97077-0001 > Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587 Page: 503-575-9587 > http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com > > It's my opinion, not Tektronix' > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 14:00 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [DC] BGA Routing Strategy > > Tony didn't offer it for publication on my website, but he did tell me to > forward it to who ever wanted a copy... Frankly, I am getting inundated with > requests... All I can do is answer them one at a time... sorry. The file he > gave me is incomplete but has about 31 frames of his presentation... if you > want the whole story, you will have to come to San Diego to the meeting and > get it in person... :) > > - Bill Brooks > > -----Original Message----- > From: [log in to unmask] > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:54 PM > To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask] > Subject: RE: [DC] BGA Routing Strategy > > Bill: > > Emailing it to everyone seems a major waste of bandwidth. > > Why doesn't Tony place the presentation on Tyco PCB's web site. > > If he can't do that, you could put it on your website (personal or IPCDC) > with credit to him. > > If you don't want to do that, I could put it on my site, again with credit > to him > > -- > George Patrick > Tektronix, Inc. > Central Engineering, M/S 39-512 > P.O. Box 500 > Beaverton, OR 97077-0001 > Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587 Page: 503-575-9587 > http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com > > It's my opinion, not Tektronix' > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 13:15 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [DC] BGA Routing Strategy > > As you may have noticed... the forum strips attachments off the e-mail > before re-broadcasting to the world... So I have been sending the > presentation to the requesters directly... :-) > - Bill Brooks > > Bill Brooks > PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. > Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 > mailto:[log in to unmask] <http://www.dtwc.com/> > Member of: IPC Designers Council Executive Board, Steering Committee, > Education Committee, and San Diego Chapter Board of Directors > <http://www.ipc.org/SanDiego/> > http://dc.ipc.org/ > <http://home.fda.net/bbrooks/pca/pca.htm > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kitty Hines [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:45 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [DC] BGA Routing Strategy > > Here is an excellent publication about BGA Routing. It may help > someone...it helped me. But I would also like to hear Tony's Routing > Strategies, could you post to the forum? > Thank You, > Kitty > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lum Wee Mei [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:36 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [DC] FW: Next meeting of the IPC Designers Council,San > Diego Chapter > > Hi, there : > > How I wish I am living in the same part of the world as you guys. You > have all the > opportunities to learn out there. Being in the other part of the world, > it is not possible for > me to attend this wonderful forum. > > If possible, I would appreciate Tony to share the notes on "BGA Routing > Strategies" with me. > > Best regards > Wee Mei Lum > Associate Engineer > DSO National Laboratories > > "Brooks,Bill" wrote: > > > > Meeting Notice - Meeting Notice - Meeting Notice - Meeting Notice - > > > Meeting Notice > > > > > > The next meeting of the IPC Designers Council, San Diego Chapter > will be > > > held at the NEW Facilities of Overland Data, San Diego, CA. at > 6:00PM on > > > Tuesday, June 25th, 2002. Entrance to the building is in the central > > > breezeway area under the stairs. A member will be monitoring the > door to > > > help guide guests in to the conference room and food court areas. > > > > > > Our Guest Speaker will be Tony Shoot of TYCO Electronics PCB Group > on "BGA > > > Routing Strategies" > > > Mr. Tony Shoot is the Sr. Applications Engineer at Tyco Printed > Circuit > > > Group, West Coast Operations. Tony has 21 years experience in the > Printed > > > Circuit Board Manufacturing Industry. > > > A brief description of what Tony will be covering follows: > > > > > > "The initial focus is on routing a 1mm (.039), 1849 I/O count BGA. > The > > > fundamentals are then applied to .8, .75 and .5 mm BGA. With this > > > information, and the steps we teach, an engineer should be able to > look at > > > a part, determine preliminary layer count needed to route, and > whether the > > > need for blind, buried, micro vias or conventional technology would > > > apply." > > > > > > The date: Tuesday, June 25th, 2002 @ 6:00PM @ Overland Data in San > Diego, > > > CA > > > > > > > > > Meeting Agenda: > > > 6:00PM-6:30PM Dinner - (be prompt or you miss out!) > > > 6:30PM-6:45PM SDDC announcements, business, and introductions > > > 6:45PM-7:45PM - Tony Shoot - BGA Routing Strategies > > > 7:45PM-8:00PM Questions/answers - conclusion > > > > > > This event will be held at: > > > Overland Data > > > 4820 Overland Avenue > > > San Diego, California 92123 > > > 1-800-729-8725 > > > 1-858-571-5555 > > > > > > Directions: > > > From Los Angeles: > > > From the 5 Fwy south, take the 805 Fwy South exit on the left. > > > Approximately 6 miles later, exit at the Clairemont Mesa Blvd. > > > West/Clairemont Mesa Blvd. East exit. Go East. Turn right onto > > > Clairemont Mesa Blvd. Turn right onto Overland Avenue. Overland > > > Data is located on the right side of Overland Avenue. > > > > > > From the Border on I-5 North: > > > From the 5 Fwy North, take the 15 Fwy North exit towards > > > Riverside for approx. 3 miles. Then take the 805 Fwy North exit > > > towards Los Angeles. Turn a slight left at the intersection of > > > I-8 East/I-8 West ramp to stay on the 805 Fwy North. Take the > > > 163 Fwy North towards Escondido. Exit at the Clairemont Mesa > > > Blvd. West/Clairemont Mesa Blvd. East exit. Go East. Keep right > > > at the fork in the ramp. Turn right onto Clairemont Mesa Blvd. > > > Turn right onto Overland Avenue. Overland Data is located on > > > the right side of Overland Avenue. > > > > > > From I-15 going South: > > > Take the Clairemont Mesa Blvd. exit and turn right onto > > > Clairemont Mesa Blvd. Turn left onto Overland Avenue. Overland Data > is > > > located on the right side of Overland Avenue. > > > > > > Important!!!! - RSVP to [log in to unmask] prior to Monday, > June > > > 24th, 2002. > > > * Dinner will be served!! @ 6:00PM * > > > We need to get your RSVP to plan on food and seating. > > > > > > IPC Designers Council Members will be admitted free of charge, > Non-Members > > > will be asked to contribute a $5.00 donation at the door. > Contributors > > > will get a $5.00 discount applied to their membership should they > decide > > > to join the IPC Designers Council at the event. > > > For the HTML version of this announcement please visit > > > http://www.ipc.org/SanDiego/ and click on "Events Schedule" and > follow > > > the prompts. > > > More information about the IPC Designers Council is available > on-line at > > > http://www.ipc.org/SanDiego/ or http://dc.ipc.org/ > > > > > > Bill Brooks > > > PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. > > > TITAN SYSTEMS CORPORATION > > > DATRON WORLD 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