Carl, My take is the following The note " As an exception to fill requirements of Table 6-2 on PTH's ......." Is explaining why you can have a 50% fill if the following requirements are met. They have added a note about 100% solder fill because many product require thermal shock testing. And that the user is responsible for identifying these situations. Question 1. If the standard can not be determined how could you accept the call. 2. Why would you quote the standard if you are not able to use the standard. I believe what you really what to know is If you are not able to judge if there is a 50% fill but all other standards are met is the part acceptable. Answer That is why they have added the note: Less than 100% solder fill may not be acceptable in some application ............................" They have placed the decision in your hands. Good Luck and have a great week end. My fishing trip has been called off because my husband has to work. So I'm not very happy right now. Take life easy Nancy T. >>> [log in to unmask] 05/09/02 02:43PM >>> Hello, Looking for the groups opinion(s) on the vertical fill requirement stated on page 6-7 of IPC-A-610C. Is the exception pertaining to the Defect Class 3? Therefore making the 50% fill acceptable for class 3, PROVIDING the 360 degree and 100% wetting of barrel walls lead on the secondary side, and surrounding PTH's meet the requirements of table 6-2. What is the opinion of all in the above case "IF" you can not actually see into the PTH to the depth of the 50%, but the soldering is acceptable and meets all the requirements otherwise? Comments privately or to the list will be appreciated. Thanks, Carl Barnes Production Process Analyst --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------