Genny, The quality thing should be factored. However, I see no indication it is. Ford lost over $5billion last year and still can't satisfy customer quality requirements. Productivity means getting it out the door. Lean is not a factor, nor is anything associated with it. My take on Ford, or anyone else, is to place a placard on the dashboard clearly demanidng no one exceed 70 mph, or whatever, and lawsuits would end because tires would not explode, not designed to do such on road speeds, and roll over accidents would be eliminated. Hell, this story just keeps getting bigger. Unless we stop the nonsense, it ain'g going to change for the better. MoonMan --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------