Damn well said Graham, if I might butt in. Let's do get you started on SUV's. Damn stupid car makers have really screwed up a good thing and really hurt tire makers and themselves. Five billion dollar loss for Ford over it. My opinion, counting for little I suspect, is all SUV makers should have placed a placard on the dashboard warning idiot 90 MPH drivere, like the one that took me out, not to drive over the speed limit or tires will go to hell along, hopefully, with the ass---- driver. Those tires and wheels are way too big for extended high speed driving. I like the 6 MPG figure for them as well when driving that way. MoonMan --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------