Man Dan, You got a good one going. I just replied to Frank about my plan. So many ways to go and dealing with designers practicing their "art" is tough. Dealing with designers having only an objective approach is much better. Are there any out there and is it possible to be totally objective? Of course not, but I always try to hedge my bet in favor of the odds. Concerning the seasons, it was a bloody hot 85 degrees here after not having been over 55 the days before. Hell, it must be IPC 782 causing all this stuff, but a good place to start as has been said so often, Earl --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------