Right on Roger, The big thing, even before DFM/CE, is to properly evaluate and qualify suppliers. What's wrong with this picture? Simply, it needs a picture. Start with the master drawing notes. Anyone remeber them, read them, reply to them, use them, or other wise abuse them? Hell, most suppliers worth a salt respond and critisize them as part of the CE process. Some actually offer constructive suggestions while others just go away or say it can't be done. Still others say sure we can do it with no hope of even coming close to understanding or meeting requirements. Specify away all you want. If the master drawing does not exactly say what you demand, you won't get it. Also, you won't even know what your supplier is going to do to your dumb ass. My simple thesis in all this is evaluate, qualify, and use only those suppliers qualified to do what you demand on the master drawing. Then, accept your dumb ass away all you want but ass is the back end of everything. MoonMan --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------