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Anyone know where to find info on a PCB material called "GIL-1000"?
Cliff Lamson, C.I.D.
PCB Design Manager
Plexus Technology Group
940 Main Campus Drive, Suite 200
Raleigh, N.C. 27606
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Hi Cliff,
Are you looking for GML 1000 from GIL Technologies?
http://www.gilam.com/ <http://www.gilam.com/>
Best regards,
Roy
Roy H. Beckman, C.E.T., C.I.D.
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Harris Corporation
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-----Original Message-----
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Anyone know where to find info on a PCB material called "GIL-1000"?
Cliff Lamson, C.I.D.
PCB Design Manager
Plexus Technology Group
940 Main Campus Drive, Suite 200
Raleigh, N.C. 27606
voice: 919-807-8047
fax: 919-807-8190
cell: 919-649-3159
The Product Realization Company
<http://www.plexus.com/> www.plexus.com
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<DIV><SPAN class=859354421-13032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Cliff,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=859354421-13032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=859354421-13032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Are
you looking for GML 1000 from GIL Technologies?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=859354421-13032002></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://www.gilam.com/">http://www.gilam.com/</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=859354421-13032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Best
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<DIV><SPAN class=859354421-13032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Roy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Roy H. Beckman, C.E.T., C.I.D.</FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Senior PCB Designer<BR>Harris
Corporation</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Harris Canada,
Inc.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Microwave Communications
Division<BR>2-7516 Hunterview Dr. NW<BR>Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2K
5E4<BR>Phone: 403-516-1829<BR>Fax: </FONT>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cliff Lamson
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<DIV><SPAN class=575281221-13032002><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Anyone
know where to find info on a PCB material called
"GIL-1000"?
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><STRONG>Cliff Lamson,
C.I.D.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><STRONG>PCB Design
Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Plexus Technology
Group</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>940 Main Campus
Drive, Suite 200</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Raleigh, N.C.
27606</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>voice:
919-807-8047</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>fax:
919-807-8190</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>cell:
919-649-3159</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2><STRONG>The Product
Realization Company</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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Michael, DC Folk
>With all the discussion with BGA assembly and rework,
>I was wondering if there is a reason why sockets are not
>more widely used for BGA's ? This would seem to solve maybe
>1/3 of the problems. The device wouldn't be
>subjected to the harsh removal and reball process and the
>board wouldn't have to be reworked as much.
>We're going to start using one for a 672 pin PBGA for this
>reason alone. We've had a few "alleged" defective
>devices and the $$ of the rework justified for at least
>trying the socket.
Sockets are great for prototyping, but can be an expensive
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the manual work involved in fitting them and then loading
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and think through all the tradeoffs it may not be the best
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Also, from a layout perspective, the filthy great mounting
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Plus they restrict your use of rear mounted components
behind the BGA.
(Please note, my opinions are based on my experience with
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'friendlier' type of socket in mind, in which case the whole
tradeoff equation just changed.)
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Brian Rusten
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Hi Everyone,
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I would like to know what other than the WAG theory that everyone is
using to calculate the time it takes after placement is completed to
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Umm, What is the WAG theory?
William W. Gilman, CID
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I would like to know what other than the WAG theory that everyone is
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Yes, what is the WAG theory ????
TDK
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>
> Everyone
>
> I would like to know what other than the WAG theory that everyone is
> using to calculate the time it takes after placement is completed to
> route a given PCB.
>
> Thanks in Advance
>
> Paul Brionez -CID
>
>
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For those that do not know Wild A&* Guess.
"Kozlyk, Terry" wrote:
> Yes, what is the WAG theory ????
>
> TDK
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Brionez [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:52 AM
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> >
> >
> > Everyone
> >
> > I would like to know what other than the WAG theory that everyone is
> > using to calculate the time it takes after placement is completed to
> > route a given PCB.
> >
> > Thanks in Advance
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Hi Everyone,
I need the recommended PCB Footprint for a 48 Pin LCC (Leadless Chip =
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Thanks,
Mike
Mike Clemente, C.I.D.
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Subject: v-score specification depanel force
Does anyone specify boards to break apart at a certain amount of force
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I'm not sure but I'm willing to take a Wild A$$ Guess... (he said with a
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Yes, what is the WAG theory ????
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> Everyone
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Yes for depanel PCB with V-Scooring we use one machine It just as a Pizza
Cutter some motors etc.
You can find 10 -20 vendors who can supply those machines.
Narinder Kumar
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> Does anyone specify boards to break apart at a certain amount of force
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> How is this specified and what numbers do you use.
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Try the SMT Plus web site. They have recommended footprint patterns there...
http://www.smtplus.com/
Regards
TDK
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> Hi Everyone,
>
> I need the recommended PCB Footprint for a 48 Pin LCC
> (Leadless Chip Carrier). Appreciate any assistance.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> Mike Clemente, C.I.D.
> Sr. PCB Design Specialist
> dZinit Applied Technologies
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You can also try PCB Standards
http://www.pcbstandards.com/
At 12:39 PM 3/22/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Try the SMT Plus web site. They have recommended footprint patterns there...
>
>http://www.smtplus.com/
>
>
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>TDK
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> > Hi Everyone,
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> > I need the recommended PCB Footprint for a 48 Pin LCC
> > (Leadless Chip Carrier). Appreciate any assistance.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> > Mike Clemente, C.I.D.
> > Sr. PCB Design Specialist
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Mike
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Folks,
If you haven't seen my rantings and need for a Pads Power designer, the
following represents my needs:
Pads Power Printed Circuit Board Design Engineer/Designer
Serious growing telecommunications company needs serious PCB designer.
Boards consist of several MLB types from 6 to 12 layers with BGA?s, CSP?s,
and other fine pitch devices and attendant components. Both DC and Analog
circuitry reside on these boards and impedance is critical in specified
areas. Designer MUST:
Be very focused on fulfilling responsibilities in a timely, professional manner
Be capable of working in small company environment under ?quality? pressure
first, then schedule
Be capable of managing design processes for several board types as
management directs priority
Have 5 years minimum experience using Pads Power
Have clear understanding of DFM principles using concurrent engineering (CE)
Have clear understanding of MLB design, fabrication, assembly, and test
requirements
Have clear understanding of microstrip and stripline impedance requirements
Have clear understanding of micro, blind, and buried vias
Have clear understanding of MLB materials, constructions, and solderability
Have clear understanding of MLB?s and all that comprise them
Have AutoCad 14 experience to create mechanicals as master, assembly
drawings, etc.
Have extensive experience working with many component types
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Prefer:
Earl Moon
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Subject: [DC] PADS POWER PROFESSIONAL DESIGNER
Folks,
If you haven't seen my rantings and need for a Pads Power designer, the
following represents my needs:
Pads Power Printed Circuit Board Design Engineer/Designer
Serious growing telecommunications company needs serious PCB designer.
Boards consist of several MLB types from 6 to 12 layers with BGA?s, CSP?s,
and other fine pitch devices and attendant components. Both DC and Analog
circuitry reside on these boards and impedance is critical in specified
areas. Designer MUST:
Be very focused on fulfilling responsibilities in a timely, professional
manner
Be capable of working in small company environment under ?quality? pressure
first, then schedule
Be capable of managing design processes for several board types as
management directs priority
Have 5 years minimum experience using Pads Power
Have clear understanding of DFM principles using concurrent engineering (CE)
Have clear understanding of MLB design, fabrication, assembly, and test
requirements
Have clear understanding of microstrip and stripline impedance requirements
Have clear understanding of micro, blind, and buried vias
Have clear understanding of MLB materials, constructions, and solderability
Have clear understanding of MLB?s and all that comprise them
Have AutoCad 14 experience to create mechanicals as master, assembly
drawings, etc.
Have extensive experience working with many component types
Have clear understanding of all applicable IPC guidelines and requirements
Have ability to communicate PCB requirements clearly to management,
purchasing, engineering, and suppliers using concurrent engineering
Have understanding of ISO 9000 (4.6): 94 and/or 2000 (7.3) design control
requirements
Prefer:
Earl Moon
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Folks,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>If you haven't seen my rantings and need for a Pads Power designer, the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>following represents my needs:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Pads Power Printed Circuit Board Design Engineer/Designer</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Serious growing telecommunications company needs serious PCB designer.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Boards consist of several MLB types from 6 to 12 layers with BGA?s, CSP?s,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>and other fine pitch devices and attendant components. Both DC and Analog</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>circuitry reside on these boards and impedance is critical in specified</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>areas. Designer MUST:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Be very focused on fulfilling responsibilities in a timely, professional manner</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Be capable of working in small company environment under ?quality? pressure</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>first, then schedule</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Be capable of managing design processes for several board types as</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>management directs priority</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Have 5 years minimum experience using Pads Power</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Have clear understanding of DFM principles using concurrent engineering (CE)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Have clear understanding of MLB design, fabrication, assembly, and test</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>requirements</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Have clear understanding of microstrip and stripline impedance requirements</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Have clear understanding of micro, blind, and buried vias</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Have clear understanding of MLB materials, constructions, and solderability</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Have clear understanding of MLB?s and all that comprise them</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Have AutoCad 14 experience to create mechanicals as master, assembly</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>drawings, etc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Have extensive experience working with many component types</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Have clear understanding of all applicable IPC guidelines and requirements</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Have ability to communicate PCB requirements clearly to management,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>purchasing, engineering, and suppliers using concurrent engineering</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Have understanding of ISO 9000 (4.6): 94 and/or 2000 (7.3) design control</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>requirements</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Prefer:</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Earl Moon</FONT>
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I'm curious, do you have any programs in your area for college students to
learn about PCB design? I have knowledge of 3 programs, Washington State,
Southern Calif, and Texas. These are intended to give the student a real PCB
design curriculum, not just cad tool training, and is part of a AA or AS, 2
year degree program. The Designers council wants to promote this sort of
activity in the colleges through volunteer efforts at the chapter level and
through our education committee activities. Just want to know if any of the
chapters besides Texas, Washington, and San Diego are doing similar programs
or have plans to get them going... :)
Bill Brooks
PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D.
TITAN SYSTEMS CORPORATION
DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION
3030 Enterprise Court
Vista, CA 92083
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
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curriculum, not just cad tool training, and is part of a AA or AS, 2 year
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:46:06 -0600
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Bill,
I will be checking with the local college about starting a degreed course in
PCB design. I'm not sure who they need to contact about certification.
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I'm curious, do you have any programs in your area for college students to
learn about PCB design? I have knowledge of 3 programs, Washington State,
Southern Calif, and Texas. These are intended to give the student a real PCB
design curriculum, not just cad tool training, and is part of a AA or AS, 2
year degree program. The Designers council wants to promote this sort of
activity in the colleges through volunteer efforts at the chapter level and
through our education committee activities. Just want to know if any of the
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or have plans to get them going... :)
Bill Brooks
PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D.
TITAN SYSTEMS CORPORATION
DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION
3030 Enterprise Court
Vista, CA 92083
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
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Hi Chris,
Some of the stuff we have been going over at out meeting and over the
net.... here is a synopsis...
Palomar College, a Community Junior College in my area (San Diego, CA) has
the following offerings for PCB Design -
DT 210 PRINTED CIRCUIT DESIGN (PADS) 3 units
Prerequisite: NONE
34065 6-8:50pm TTh
BARCLAY S E-13
Basically a PADS tool class with some PCB design basics in it...
DT 197 ADVANCED PCB DESIGN (PADS) 3 units
Prerequisite: DT 210
34065 6-8:50pm TTh
BARCLAY S E-13
A more advanced curriculum with the final being a fairly decent board
design. Runs concurrent with the beginning class.
In Washington State, Lake Washington Technical College is sending their
offerings in for State approval: here are some of the pertinent courses...
there are many more in the AS degree program taken from the Electrical and
Technician and Drafting degree programs..
EPCB 101 PCB Design I 5 credits
ENGT 262 Printed Circuit Board Graphics Design 4 credits
ENGT 261 Engineering Schematics 4 credits
EPCB 201 Design for Manufacture & Test 4 credits
EPCB 202 PCB Design II 5 credits
EPCB 203 PCB Documentation & Postprocessing 2 credits
course descriptions:
PCB I:
This course provides the student with a general overview and basic skills
necessary to follow and implement the process flow of the Printed Circuit
board Design Cycle. Emphasis will be placed on building the teamwork
required to produce the final product.
PCB II:
This course will investigate the theories behind different layout
strategies. Areas covered will include Digital, Analog, High Speed, RF, and
EMI. Emphasis will be on PCB materials, thermal considerations, power
distribution, timing, capacitance, inductance, and impedance as they relate
to the circuit layout and signal integrity.
Design for Manufacture and Test:
This course will investigate the design theories based on design rules for
both large and small-scale production levels. Emphasis will be placed on
verification methods for manufacture and test engineering practical
application of electronic theory. Areas of discussion will include
manufacturing processes and test methods such as shock, vibration, ICT,
HALT, HAST, and Environmental tests.
PCB Documentation & Post processing:
This course will define the different layers of documentation necessary for
the fabrication and assembly of a printed circuit board. Students will
learn the history, classifications, and techniques of PCB fabrication. This
course will introduce the student to many translation languages transferring
PCB design data, including GERBER, NC drill data, DXF, IGES, HPGL, GenCAM,
PDF, and PS.
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Collin County Community College in Texas has a design curriculum too, but I
don't have a copy of the courses... in addition apparently there are PCB
courses at the following Texas colleges...
Dallas County Community College
El Paso County Community College
Austin County Community College
San Jacito County Community College Taylor County Community College
I heard there is a program in Georgia at Gwinnett Tech. in Lawrenceville,
Ga, USA though I don't have the details on it... also - Algonquin College,
Ottawa (Nepean) Canada, WestArk Community College in Ft.Smith, AR, USA,
Middlesex Community College in Bedford,Mass, USA, Newbury college, UK and
Beeville Community College, Southern Texas, USA
I don't know all the Designers Council members that are participating in
Educational activities yet... but I hope to... We want to coordinate our
efforts to standardize a curriculum that can be modeled across the US and
help foriegn countries establish their own models...
Bill Brooks
PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D.
TITAN SYSTEMS CORPORATION
DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION
3030 Enterprise Court
Vista, CA 92083
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Robertson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 10:46 AM
To: '(Designers Council Forum)'; 'Brooks,Bill'
Subject: RE: [DC] PCB Designer Education
Bill,
I will be checking with the local college about starting a degreed course in
PCB design. I'm not sure who they need to contact about certification.
CR
-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
Brooks,Bill
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 10:29 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [DC] PCB Designer Education
I'm curious, do you have any programs in your area for college students to
learn about PCB design? I have knowledge of 3 programs, Washington State,
Southern Calif, and Texas. These are intended to give the student a real PCB
design curriculum, not just cad tool training, and is part of a AA or AS, 2
year degree program. The Designers council wants to promote this sort of
activity in the colleges through volunteer efforts at the chapter level and
through our education committee activities. Just want to know if any of the
chapters besides Texas, Washington, and San Diego are doing similar programs
or have plans to get them going... :)
Bill Brooks
PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D.
TITAN SYSTEMS CORPORATION
DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION
3030 Enterprise Court
Vista, CA 92083
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=280001519-29032002>Hi
Chris,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=280001519-29032002>Some
of the stuff we have been going over at out meeting and over the net.... here is
a synopsis...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002>Palomar College, a Community Junior College in my area
(San Diego, CA) has the following offerings for PCB Design -
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class=280001519-29032002></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=280001519-29032002><FONT
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN>DT 210<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>PRINTED
CIRCUIT DESIGN<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>(PADS)<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 2"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">3
units<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=#000000
size=2>Prerequisite: NONE</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=#000000
size=2>34065<SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>6-8:50pm<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>TTh<SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>BARCLAY S<SPAN
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</SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>E-13</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#000000><FONT size=2> <SPAN class=280001519-29032002>Basically a PADS
tool class with some PCB design basics in
it...</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#000000><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=2> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN>DT 197<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>ADVANCED
PCB DESIGN<SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>(PADS)<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 2">
</SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">3
units<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=#000000
size=2>Prerequisite: DT 210</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT
color=#000000 size=2>34065<SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>6-8:50pm<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>TTh<SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>BARCLAY S<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 2">
</SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>E-13</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002><FONT color=#000000 size=2>A more advanced curriculum
with the final being a fairly decent board design. Runs concurrent with the
beginning class.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=280001519-29032002>In Washington
State, <FONT size=2>Lake Washington Technical College is sending their
offerings in for State approval: here are some of the pertinent courses... there
are many more in the AS degree program taken from the Electrical and Technician
and Drafting degree programs..</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=280001519-29032002>EPCB
101 PCB Design I 5
credits</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=280001519-29032002>ENGT
262 Printed Circuit Board Graphics Design 4
credits</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=280001519-29032002>ENGT
261 Engineering Schematics 4
credits</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=280001519-29032002>EPCB
201 Design for Manufacture & Test 4
credits</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=+0><FONT
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=280001519-29032002>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=280001519-29032002>EPCB
202 PCB Design II 5
credits</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=280001519-29032002><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002>EPCB 203 PCB
Documentation & Postprocessing 2
credits</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=280001519-29032002><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002></SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT><FONT size=+0><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>course
descriptions:</FONT></DIV></FONT></FONT>
<DIV class=MsoSubtitle style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 6pt"><FONT size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">PCB
I</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; TEXT-DECORATION: none; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-underline: none">:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT
size=+0><FONT color=#0000ff>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText2 dir=ltr
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-AUTOSPACE: ideograph-numeric; mso-layout-grid-align: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><FONT color=#000000><FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=2>This course provides the student with a general overview
and basic skills necessary to follow and implement the process flow of the
Printed Circuit board Design Cycle.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Emphasis will be placed on building the teamwork required to produce the
final product.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT
color=#000000><FONT size=2> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoSubtitle dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 6pt"><U><FONT
color=#000000><FONT size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">PCB
II</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; TEXT-DECORATION: none; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-underline: none">:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></U></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText2 dir=ltr
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-AUTOSPACE: ideograph-numeric; mso-layout-grid-align: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><FONT color=#000000><FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=2>This course will investigate the theories behind
different layout strategies.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Areas
covered will include Digital, Analog, High Speed, RF, and EMI.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Emphasis will be on PCB materials,
thermal considerations, power distribution, timing, capacitance, inductance, and
impedance as they relate to the circuit layout and signal
integrity.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT
color=#000000><FONT size=2> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoSubtitle dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 6pt"><U><FONT
color=#000000><FONT size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Design
for Manufacture and Test</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; TEXT-DECORATION: none; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-underline: none">:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></U></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT
color=#000000><FONT size=2>This course will investigate the design theories
based on design rules for both large and small-scale production levels.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Emphasis will be placed on verification
methods for manufacture and test engineering practical application of electronic
theory.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Areas of discussion will
include manufacturing processes and test methods such as shock, vibration, ICT,
HALT, HAST, and Environmental tests.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT
color=#000000><FONT size=2> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoSubtitle dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 6pt"><U><FONT
color=#000000><FONT size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">PCB
Documentation & Post processing</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; TEXT-DECORATION: none; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-underline: none">:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></U></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Arial
color=#000000 size=2>This course will define the different layers of
documentation necessary for the fabrication and assembly of a printed circuit
board.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Students will learn the
history, classifications, and techniques of PCB fabrication.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This course will introduce the student
to many translation languages transferring PCB design data, including GERBER, NC
drill data, DXF, IGES, HPGL, GenCAM, PDF, and PS.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial
color=#000000 size=2></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2>---</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>Collin County Community
Colleg<SPAN class=188092019-21022002>e in Texas has a design curriculum
too, but I don't have a copy of the courses... </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=188092019-21022002>in addition apparently there are PCB courses at
the following Texas colleges...</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002><FONT><SPAN class=188092019-21022002>
<P><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>Dallas County Community College<SPAN
class=280001519-29032002> <BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2>El Paso County Community College</FONT><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002><FONT size=2> <BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Austin County Community College</FONT><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002><FONT face=Arial size=2> <BR>S</FONT></SPAN><FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=2>an Jacito County Community College<SPAN
class=280001519-29032002> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002> </SPAN>Taylor County Community
College</FONT></FONT></P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002><FONT face=Arial size=2>I heard there is a program in
Georgia at </FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>Gwinnett Tech. in Lawrenceville,
Ga, USA<SPAN class=280001519-29032002><FONT color=#000000>
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial>though I don't have the details on
it... also - </FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>Algonquin College, Ottawa
(Nepean) Canada, </FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002><FONT size=2>WestArk Community College in Ft.Smith, AR,
USA, </FONT><FONT size=2>Middlesex Community College in Bedford,Mass, USA,
</FONT><FONT size=2>Newbury college, UK and <FONT size=2>Beeville Community
College, Southern Texas,
USA</FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=280001519-29032002>I don't know all the
Designers Council members that are participating in Educational activities
yet... but I hope to... We want to coordinate our efforts to standardize a
curriculum that can be modeled across the US and help foriegn countries
establish their own models... </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=280001519-29032002>
<P><B><FONT face=Arial size=5>Bill Brooks</FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000000
size=5><I><BR></I></FONT><I></I></B><I></I><FONT face=Arial size=2>PCB Design
Engineer , C.I.D.<BR>TITAN SYSTEMS CORPORATION<BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#000000 size=2>DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION<BR></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>3030 Enterprise Court<BR>Vista, CA 92083<BR>Tel: (760)597-1500
Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510<BR><A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:[log in to unmask]</A><BR>IPC Designers
Council, San Diego Chapter<BR><U></U></FONT><U><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><<A href="http://www.ipc.org/SanDiego/"
target=_blank>http://www.ipc.org/SanDiego/</A>></FONT></U><BR><U></U><U></U><U><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#0000ff><<A
href="http://home.fda.net/bbrooks/pca/pca.htm"
target=_blank>http://home.fda.net/bbrooks/pca/pca.htm</A><BR><A
href="http://dc.ipc.org/" target=_blank>http://dc.ipc.org/</A></FONT></U>
</P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=280001519-29032002> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
Chris Robertson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday,
March 29, 2002 10:46 AM<BR><B>To:</B> '(Designers Council Forum)';
'Brooks,Bill'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [DC] PCB Designer
Education<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT></FONT>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN class=520194518-29032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bill,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN class=520194518-29032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I will be checking with the local college about starting a degreed course
in PCB design. I'm not sure who they need to contact about
certification.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=520194518-29032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN class=520194518-29032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>CR</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> DesignerCouncil
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Brooks,Bill<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 29, 2002 10:29
AM<BR><B>To:</B> [log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> [DC] PCB
Designer Education<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=387272116-29032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I'm curious, do you have any programs in your area for college
students to learn about PCB design? I have knowledge of 3 programs,
Washington State, Southern Calif, and Texas. These are intended to give the
student a real PCB design curriculum, not just cad tool training, and is
part of a AA or AS, 2 year degree program. The Designers council wants
to promote this sort of activity in the colleges through volunteer efforts
at the chapter level and through our education committee activities. Just
want to know if any of the chapters besides Texas, Washington, and San Diego
are doing similar programs or have plans to get them going...
:)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=387272116-29032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=387272116-29032002>
<P><B><FONT face=Arial size=5>Bill Brooks</FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#000000 size=5><I><BR></I></FONT><I></I></B><I></I><FONT face=Arial
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