Oh Werner, You sly old fox, or is it dog, you couldn't burst my bubble. It's been long burst by Arleen Weinberger since we did it in the eighth grade, or was that Lena Fowler (leaping Lena to you). Don't got no trees in my cave but the roots sure do grow down here and there's always some dog at tree level pissin' on them but that just don't bother me this deep. I knew I could draw you out with my little questions about such a big subject. Have gone over 279, 785, and 9701 many times. Mostly what I see is your name as chair and co-chair on each committee. That ought to tell me something, right? As fine as these documents are, they don't show me the money/data. Ok, I believe you and recognize what you say about HALT/HAST. How could I not, but where's the BEEF? How and where do I get the data from which your fine guidelines were produced, as you say? Some others don't understand and want data about the product I am helping improve. They want data about how long they can expect my boards will last in actual operation. In their terms, they want MTBF numbers, right ot wrong. So Werner, where's the beef? MoonMan --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------