Jeff, I respect your lament. I've been using CAM350, or earlier versions of it, for years. I don't have to tell you it's the only real alternative to the $100,000 wonder - Valor. It costs about 1/10th as much and does a lot of the same work. I got my first copy free from Richard Nedball in better times. Since then, it seems this CAM family has suffered. Please don't think this is another attack on what coulda' been or should be. I'll help any way I can but there are a very independent group of folks out there in the "gulch." Have to wonder how long this can go on. Plus, my dongle is getting shorter by the minute. Earl --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL To recieve ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------