Your view of control versus management always has been my passion. I don't believe in "controlling" anything or anyone. If processes are well managed, product quality (depending on design influences) will be as specified. Quality will meet customer requirements. I certainly agree breakthrough is needed. I do not agree it is the primary target over evolution - in most cases. I mean, if it has been done, improvement is preferred over attempting the creation of something entirely new or untried. This is not to say we shouldn't seek that which is new, whether design or process. It simply means we should seek continuous improvement, when possible, first. I applaud and accept your assessments. Thank you, Earl Moon --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL To recieve ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------