Brian, Very well stated, as usual, providing images of a mousy sort. I knew you know lots of stuff, but I didn't know you were/are a world famous rodent resuscitator. Outstanding surgical skills. Too bad they couldn't be used on the world's richest man's conscience. A lobotomy or sorts might make his quality dedication a bit stronger. A shame he's all most of can count on to make himself richer. I know the mouse of which you speak. I to tried to move to wired optical but, because of exactly your problem, I returned to the conojones variety. My saying used to be, before my illuminated pointing device emitted its last photon. no Raton cojones aqui. Worked with Logitech some time back. Unlike Microsuck, their balls were too small so skipping and lack of resolution was a problem. Tried to tell them larger is better but they continued making not so well endowed versions. I wouldn't consider their devices now so I keep a large stock of Microsoft's top of the line beastys as insurance - exactly for the reasons you state. Amazing how so many of us rely so heavily on these things and how faulty they can become. Even a small grain of salt can mess up your CADday. Gates and his cronies grew up cons. They're like so many of the Silicon Gulch versions I dealt with for many years. It's all they've ever known but for how to "borrow" others' ideas and convert them for personal gain (worked at the "Big X" for a time and saw what they loaned out). When you have this mentality, quality is only as good as the current version. What happens next is a bigger con promising all previous versions' problems will be a thing of the past. For this type quality, we pay ever increasing prices at the pump. It's universal and until we all make a stand, it continues unabated. Who's fault is it anyway? The "culture" at Microsuck will not change. Therefore, its quality will not improve. That is why I started this diatribe. It is an example of management cloning itself regularly while the rest of us see the same old picture at a much higher ticket price. Thanks Brian. I needed that. MoonMan --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL To recieve ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------