If interested, and who's not absolutely caught up in this all, the following site will provide answers to all your questions concerning ISO: http://www.iso.ch/iso/en/ISOOnline.frontpage Though this is not the discussion I intended, some good and bad ISO points have been made that are of particular interest when I look at DFM/CE and how it could be affected by similar viewpoints. After all that's been written and applied about it, some still frown on the concept, though not always the reality, as being too restrictive. We don't need no stinkin' CE to get it right as they go for it time after time with little success. I know of few on this forum who would disagree with, what they probably have often said, they have time to do it over but no time to do it right the first time. Concerning one of Peter's comments, I submit the "new" ISO 9000 document certainly is "stronger" if shalls have anything to do with it. However, we all know it's not the paper's strength that matters as much as the people, starting with management in any type organization, that change the paper into reality and use it. How well, WITH OR WITHOUT ISO, is up to them. MoonMan --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send the following message: SET Technet NOMAIL Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------