Jeff, That too is true. Often, I'm so intimidated I just drop out. Werner is one who does this to me, or not. Sure hope he gets his newly requested answers after giving so much. I will say this: If I didn't go after Werner and others, I would never learn nearly as much as waiting for the answer to majically appear. I'm not nocking the person we are talking about, but I would say to him stick with it. Damn fine group this. Just wish I could remember all I forgot so I wouldn't get forearm cramps stirring the pot so much to get at the answers - only to be too quickly forgotten until applied in the real world. Of course, most of the answers do come from the real world. What's that like? MoonMan --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send the following message: SET Technet NOMAIL Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------