Never liked the government telling us how to do things. However, as you say, there was order and chaos was minimized. We had guidance from "above" if you will. The best thing was that it was based on some pretty good stuff arrived at through careful studies yielding rather uniform, SPECIFIC information (500 + or - 5 degrees for wave soldering as an example). One can only speculate whether the studies, and the information derived and presented from them, would hold up today - in such a complex design and manufacturing environment. Probably it would have and DFM/CE would be alive and well. Then, the complex situations we now face may not have turned out so. Of course, many of the questions on this forum would have related to what something or some paragraph meant instead of how you do this to that. Many large corporations took up the pursuit. The HP's, IBM's, Nortel's, and more, developed their versions of 2000. Some of them worked but not without mis-interpretation and some ego bruising. Many versions are not similar, however. Yes, our moon is moving away. As the MoonMan, this worries me a bit but if headed for the sun, I'll be getting off soon. There's chaos in the universe, from my cold, gray perch but, from much more distance, there is order in it? Really beyond my scope. Need a new standard for that. MoonMan --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send the following message: SET Technet NOMAIL Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------