George, Outstanding. Though it's not much of a spoon with which to stir such a shrinking pot, "sucks" is something with which to work. Of course, though it doesn't often show on this forum, I started in this business in 19 hum 63. My parther, then as now, taught me the phrases nothing solders to solder like solder, let's have a fugarwe meeting, and management seldom get's it right but shares, or takes, all the credit when it's done right by workers, or some such thing. Like I say "not much of a spoon or pot today," MoonMan --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send the following message: SET Technet NOMAIL Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------