Just thought some of you might like a little unseasonable yuck. Our good friend from the farthest reaches of your planet provided some Eastern insight. I replied with none. Hello Moonman, The interesting thing is I'm the AME/PCBA process engineer in several PDTs(Product Development Team) right now. That's my job responsibilities. We produce telecomm equipment in China. We have our own DFM checklists in the company. Different from your big list, we use different checklists for the different review points in a design process. We discuss a lot over the checklists and keep updating them. It's interesting to see somebody at the other end of the world doing similar things. But the company just started the DFM/CE in the recent two years, so we are just pupils(over 30 years in the business! what do they call such a man? Grand old man? or dinosaurs? : ). Wish you a Merry Christmas on earth. Jiang Ping Jiang, You're right about revising the check lists as needed. Just don't do it for its sake alone. Keeping current with technology is essential, but trying to get ahead is what it's all about. I mean, you know that what with such "traditional" values you folks all have. No dinosaurs there, right? You used the magical acronyms DFM/CE. Outstanding! Where did you come up with the CE part of the equation. Oh yes, tradition and culture. You folks must be incapable of doing it without concurrence. On the one hand I applaud you all. On the other, you must become less traditional/dinosauristic and get more entrepreneurial - though you shouldn't take it too far. The West and East have been trying, though not too well, to get together forever. Why doesn't it work. Maybe money will solve the problems but, maybe, with fewer kidney harvests in the field in your country and fewer .coms in ours. Grand old man? Not exactly! Dino! No, and still revered as someone progressive having sought and taught CPI seemingly forever and people still don't listen well enough. Ain't got no labels on me but for self proclaimed - as MoonMan looking down upon it all and seeing it repeated time after time though still not getting it right without DFM/CE. Wish you a Merry Christmas - wherever you are. MoonMan Jiang, Hope you don't mind my posting this. Even so, If you're really doing it right where you are, some shame on us over here. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send the following message: SET Technet NOMAIL Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------