Ioan, I've had less success instituting DFM/CE with some RF folks than any other. Times are improving, however, as the need for speed increases. From a manufacturing engineering perspective, you must be excited about getting into the fray. Used to be a neat lady teaching this stuff out in CA. Her company was, and maybe still is, the Copper Connection. Must be others as well. Enjoy, Earl --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send the following message: SET Technet NOMAIL Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------