Steve, Can't thank you enough. Probably never will use or see one again but good to know as I always forget or loose that name. My other problem with thest plates is my inept handling of them. I must clamp them too hard in the fingers or they just break because of thermal shock. Tried preheating them but still kept breaking them when they hit the wave. Any suggestions beside buying several as spares? Earl --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send the following message: SET Technet NOMAIL Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------