hi, i've tried to download this evolver program, but smart download keeps timing out. have you downloaded it from the umn site? phil -----Original Message----- From: Stephen R. Gregory [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:49 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] modeling Hi Waleed! Go to: http://www.ctcms.nist.gov/programs/solder/ There you'll find a program called "Surface Evolver" that you can use to model various solder joints...plus there's also a few other good links from that page. -Steve Gregory- Dear: Does anyone know anything about modeling ( solder joint ,traces,leads,..). thanks waleed