Dave, Graham, and other TechNetters, A few things: 1) I never said I was having service problems with Multicore. One aim of the group would be to forestall such a situation, if possible. 2) Having common "rules" is a great idea and something the IPC committee is set up to tackle. 3) However, that was not the intent I was looking for. I wanted something where I could get specific help about a certain piece of equipment. So I wanted a group that would not be bound by IPC rules. We would certainly be there to help the IPC, where appropriate. 4) Graham, you old scallywag, you never miss an opportunity to "almost" advertise! regards, Bev Christian Research in Motion -----Original Message----- From: Graham Naisbitt [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: September 10, 2001 9:21 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Wetting Balances Bev et al, My thanks to Mike Fenner for the "nod-on", it seems appropriate for me to issue a formal statement and flamers will have to excuse this one.... Concoat are in the final stages to acquire the business unit formerly known as Multicore SPCID. This includes MUST II and Contaminometer. SoldaPro and our Auto-SIR unit are already in place. I am sorry if there are some support issues for the above, and I would ask all Customer Techies to PLEASE inform me personally - I NEED this information, and will address all of your questions. We intend putting in place new service support facilities. Obviously I am anxious to learn of any and all customer concerns that may be addressed off-TechNet. I take on-board Bev's request, and confirm that I will be willing to be involved with this proposal. Perhaps it could be fully reviewed at the forthcoming IPC meeting in Orlando? I would suggest that we consider producing a "Code of Practice" document. In this way, all the vendors have input and most of the customer issues can be addressed. I can provide an example of such a "Code of Practice" that was prepared via the NPL in the UK for Thermal Profiling, and if anyone wants a copy, let me know off-line. Jack, could you please inform me as to how else I could employ the IPC / TechNet to notify both existing and potentially new customers? Regards, Graham Naisbitt [log in to unmask] http:// <http://www.concoat.co.uk/> www.concoat.co.uk In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. Douglas Adams For instant access to Product Data Sheets register on the Tech-Shot area of http:// www.concoat.co.uk <http://www.concoat.co.uk/> Concoat Limited Alasan House, Albany Park CAMBERLEY GU16 7PH UK Phone: +44 (0)1276 691100 Fax: +44 (0)1276 691227 Mobile: +44 (0)79 6858 2121 -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Bev Christian Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 07:55 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] Wetting Balances I've been talking to the fellows at ACI/EMPF and we have decided we would like to form a users group for the MUST System II Wetting Balance. I guess what I would like to see would be the following: 1) Have multiple sources of advice for little problems 2) Share info on the test parameters for new and/or weird parts. For example, how do you hold a 0201 in a clip made for 0805's? How do you hold a thumbwheel?!! How deep do you immerse some of these wonderfully designed components that only have solderable surfaces on the vertical side of the part! GRRRRRR! I think you get the picture. 3) Champion using globule testing as opposed to a full solder bath dip. 4) Act as resource for the IPC 5-23a Task Group (J-003) and IPC 5-23b Task Group (J-002), if Dave Hillman and company are willing to have us. :) 5) Apply persuasion, if it becomes necessary, with regards to service as the Multicore/Loctite/Henkel transition continues. Note, anyone is of course able to form a similar group for other wetting balances and we aren't making any claims one way or the other here about the equipment in question. So, if you are interested, phone or e-mail me. regards, Bev Christian Materials Engineering Lab Manager Research in Motion 519-888-7465 x 2468