Now a really big one 10^100 is a google and a google^a google = a googleplex, no cheating here. Best Regards, Ken Mc Gowan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Ellis" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [TN] [LF] FT Article > Bill, > > OK, I guess we taxed you too heavily on tea! Anyway, Colombian coffee > (and other products) required fewer transport costs. > > I know of no name to represent 10^15 or 10^21 other than thousand > billion (trillion), but you are quite right with the 24 exponent of > quadrillion. I don't believe I've ever seen pent-, hex- illion, either. > Maybe it becomes zillions over 10^24 :-) > > I've looked up two of the best UK dictionaries (Oxford and Collins). > They both give billion as 10^12 with 10^9 mentioned afterwards under > "(chiefly US)". Oxford adds a usage note after milliard "The term > milliard has been largely superseded by billion", making it delightfully > ambiguous! Collins does not fall in this trap but defines milliard as "A > thousand million (US billion)". > > George Bernard Shaw was attributed to having said "England and America > are two countries divided by a common language.". > > Brian > > "Kasprzak, Bill (sys) USX" wrote: > > > > Brian: > > > > Just curious then, can you fill us in on the names of the other apparent > > gaps in large number terminology? > > > > If million, billion, trillion, quadrillion is incorrect (or corrupted?) > > > > Then fill in the blanks, million, milliard, billion, _____, trillion, _____, > > quadrillion (10*24). > > > > Personally, I don't think we meant to shortchange the Brits. I think we were > > overcharged! > > > > Bill Kasprzak > > Moog Inc., Electronic Assembly Engineering > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Brian Ellis [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] > > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 5:29 AM > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > Subject: Re: [LF] FT Article > > > > > > Actually, Werner, factor of 10^3. A real billion is, and always has > > > been, 10^12. The milliard, which our transatlantic friends consider > > > non-existent and corruptly call a billion, is 10^9. The confusion has > > > become grave because many Brits have now been conned by reading US > > > literature into thinking that it is 10^9, although less so on the > > > Continent, where the use of milliard is much more current. I guess it > > > dates back to Webster & Co. who were responsible for many corruptions in > > > the established meanings (and colourful spellings) of words in the > > > English language. Strangely, when it comes to units and suchlike, the US > > > ones, where they have changed, are always smaller than the UK ones (cf > > > gallon US = ~3.8 l, UK = ~4.5 l, ton US long = 2200 lbs, US short = 2000 > > > lbs, UK = 2240 lbs etc.). Do you think that it was to shortchange the > > > Brits on exports to the old country? > > > > > > Logically, the billion is 10^12 as the word was derived from million^2, > > > hence the bi- prefix. I can see no logic in this prefix for 10^9. > > > > > > The long and the short of it is to always prefix billion with US if you > > > mean 10^9. (This should provoke some amusing messages!) > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > Werner Engelmaier wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > In a message dated 06/08/2001 18:48:21, [log in to unmask] > > > writes: > > > > >Orgalime, the group representing European manufacturers of domestic > > > > appliances > > > > >and electronic equipment, estimates it could cost around E40bn ($34bn) > > > to > > > > deal > > > > >with equipment already on the market plus E7.5bn in annual costs to the > > > > industry. > > > > It is not clear that E40bn =$34bn, because an american billion is not > > > the > > > > same as a European billion. The EU40 = $34 is about right, but unless > > > the > > > > initial European billion was changes to an american billion, the numbers > > > are > > > > off bey a factor of 10. > > > > > > > > Werner Engelmaier > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------- > > > > Leadfee Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d > > > > To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text > > > in > > > > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Leadfree > > > > To temporarily stop delivery of Leadree for vacation breaks send: SET > > > Leadfree NOMAIL > > > > Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > > > > E-mail Archives > > > > Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for > > > additional > > > > information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 > > > ext.5315 > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------- > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------- > > > Leadfee Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d > > > To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > > > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Leadfree > > > To temporarily stop delivery of Leadree for vacation breaks send: SET > > > Leadfree NOMAIL > > > Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > > > > E-mail Archives > > > Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for > > > additional > > > information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 > > > ext.5315 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d > To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet > To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send the following message: SET Technet NOMAIL > Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives > Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional > information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send the following message: SET Technet NOMAIL Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------