Bill, Have you looked at Ekra printers? (http://www.ekra.com) they make some pretty neat printers. When I worked for Zevatech and exhibited at NEPCON West back in 1998, there were some Ekra printers in the TAC line where we had some machines. The neat thing about their printers was that you didn't have to have a standard frame at all, they can use any frame without adapters!! Those that have had to use adapters can testify that they can be a real pain (myself included). I don't have an Ekra, most every place I've worked at, always have had some other printer in place. But if I were given the opportunity to look at buying a new printer, I would have to consider looking closely at an Ekra printer.This is based on the performance I observed from these printers at NEPCON, down at TAC line (where it was set-up as a "flip-line") building demo double-sided reflow boards with BGA's, MicroBGA's, fine pitch, 0402's, etc. for three days during the exhibitions. Back then the printers went for around 100K...full vision and all the stuff...there wasn't many competitors at all (if any) that could match the price... Might check them out... -Steve Gregory- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt delivery of Technet send the following message: SET Technet NOMAIL Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------