Thank you all. Great sites. Great stuff - especially by Hans saying do it right. I've implemented lot's of stuff before. DFM/CE, ISO, QS, TQM, and much of the rest. Never seen it done as right as it could. However, most of you folks, and some others, are producing pretty damn good stuff. It's just that some times you go where it's not so good and you know it never will be. This time, I hope to do it right though will the help of some good people and management direction (where do some of these people hide - behind the bottom line too much I fear. This place seems different but for a few old timers refusing change whether good or bad. Can't have it all - yet. Thanks again, Earl --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------