hi, sounds pretty suspicious to me too. can you determine what the traces associated with these 'ferns' are carrying around. eg, are they dc power and ground or just signals? phil -----Original Message----- From: Stephen R. Gregory [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 2:54 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] Electromigration Hi All! I've learned about electromigration, and fortunately have never had a real problem with (that I know about anyway). But recently, we've had some boards returned to us that have failed for a short from VCC to Ground, usually at the same area on the board. It's beneath a keyed header that is hand soldered on the board. The first couple of boards we got back, we couldn't find the problem. But we just got back 3 more and I did see something. In trouble shooting we remove the header (it's got a plastic body that has the plastic key molded into it) so we can see if anything beneath the plastic. Well, on one board today I think I saw something. There's traces that run between the header pins and on one trace, it looked like the mask was not adhered to the trace well. Then looking at it under higher magnification, there was what appeared to look like these copper fern like structures between the trace and the anular pad of the PTH on the laminate. Will the dendrites be copper colored? All the pictures I've seen they have a silvery gray to white appearance...I guess it would depend on which was the cathode and which was the Anode in the scheme of things as to what the dendrites would look like huh? Has anybody else ever seen this? Thanks ya'll! -Steve Gregory- ############################################################## TechNet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ############################################################## To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE TECHNET <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF TECHNET ############################################################## Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information. If you need assistance - contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ############################################################## ############################################################## TechNet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ############################################################## To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE TECHNET <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF TECHNET ############################################################## Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information. If you need assistance - contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ##############################################################