Good point Phil, but from legal interpretation of IPC/EIA J-STD-001 C, #3.6,
the use defines the substance quite well :
H2O used as hydrating agent (open risk = drink):
1
should not be on the floor (with adjacent facilities = canteen)
2
should be on the floor (in emergencies = fainting, injury wash, etc.);
IF YOU DEFEND IT's USE OTHERWISE = YOUR DOCUMENTATION
H2O used as chemical agent (acid) :
1
is treated as any other material with safety sheet
(as Joyce [i think] pointed out , some agencies go full crazy loop listing
it as what it is = acid,
than recommending emergency wash with >>> same acid !)
2
therefore a bucket of CONTROLLED (in procedure) substance used for wave
washing is not regarded as drink
With lead and static and SIR and RH and safety (live circuits) and plant
layout (would not install hand washing basin within validated "reach" of non
splashproof powered items (ATE, etc.)REGARDLESS how crazy the girls drive me
with feeding sticky lollies with their [solder wire] lead gray fingers
[finger tips drive the message home, nothing else]);
the laterals are touch beyond the reach of any SINGLE standard :
Lead handling standards (prevailing in smelting , radiator, battery and
other industries)ain't that much known in electronics (as not that
critical); however (ignorance is not defendable) still applicable legally ;
as I found for example (hard way) :
On main floor (assy) the coats are taken by folks home and washed
(reimbursed)
On pcb plant floor (isolated air con too!)the coats (absolutely minutely Pb
"contaminated")have to go to industrial laundry operating within the lead
handling standards for wash REGARDLESS how relatively lateral and reasonable
(even documented/validated) views are thrown at it (did try , believe me
[always do, on principle]).
What 'm trying to say , lead or water , it is controlled substance within
the jungle of standards/laws,
and there ain't such thing as a "simple" item in the infinity (non
applicable to relativity ; H2O IS a poison/hazard in a surprising # of VERY
common situations .
Again , any standards applications even directly resulting in relative
situations of safety paradoxes will not win you any arguments , as a lot of
modern (getting there) standards (FDA namely) will merely request you
validate the WHOLE (beyond "reasonable" relativity) picture AND document it
SPECIFICALLY to YOUR application PRIOR to deployment of such "STD's" .
cu pk
ps
yes, med places do go overboard (out of necessity)
Have a merry NY Phil, and forget the "rules" > "amendments" .
Having the A&B&C&D&...standards ("rules") may limit you,(seen top antistat
lab made entirely of untreated pine)
As they represent a level average, getting ahead means pioneering your own
path = think, and search .
Nicola 's been arrested once with his balls upon arrival to England as an
.... (ignited device)suspect !
Joys of our trade (edge)
pps
200 engineers at GTC Rick , that's a buzz place !
Can see the roots of your troops working discipline question with that line
of customers .
Like gremlins hey ? , give them some water and you get a serious problem
-----Original Message-----
From: phil bavaro [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, 30 December 1999 8:16
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] rules
I'd sure like to see that rule amended to indicate both of the reasons that
Kelly has pointed out as well as to add a statement regarding operator
hygiene requirements (washing of hands if contaminated with lead, etc).
It is the IPC specification requirement to use a lead alloy which puts the
operators in danger, yet we don't ever spell out the obvious safety
controls which are unfortunately seem to be taken for granted.
There is a primary health risk with allowing our operators to become
contaminated with lead and then allowing them to eat, drink, and/or smoking
without first removing the contamination.
Maybe unleaded won't be such a bad thing after all.........
At 09:06 AM 12/29/99 +1100, Paul Klasek wrote:
>Apart from those nozzled (some 1mm orifice)squeezies for watering iron
>sponges, cleaning, etc. ;
>they passed safety mark here (no other than deliberate water spillage to
>live circuits).
>Not for consumption, obviously, all H2O or CH3CHOHCH3, etc. bottles :
>clearly MARKED (FDA).
>For those absolutely splitting hairs (Inge); toppling nozzled ones or
>parking half empty under heat (desk lamp),
>will still release some fluid : deemed calculated risk .
>
>Even cyclists bottles spill, Kelly 's right,
>so unless you have the squeeze unlock customs (than you can challenge [need
>base]the rules with validations),
>no point trying .
>
>Paul Klasek
>ResMed
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kelly M. Schriver [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 1999 1:02
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [TN] rules
>
>
>Hi Rick -
>
>Same rules as all other food, drink & tobacco items. Two reasons: 1] risk
>of product contamination from spillage (note that many of the bottled
waters
>are not as pure as some folks believe them to be); and 2] risk of human
>ingestion of some of the materials used in the manufacturing processes.
>
>Regards - Kelly
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Howieson, Rick <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: Monday, December 27, 1999 7:37 AM
>Subject: Re: [TN] rules
>
>
>>Any comments on bottled water?
>>Rick Howieson
>>General Technology Corporation
>>http://www.gt-corp.com
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Cash, Alan [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 10:45 AM
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: [TN] rules
>>>
>>>IPC/EIA J-STD-001C Paragraph 3.6 states "Eating, drinking, and/or use of
>>>tobacco products shall be prohibited in the work area".
>>>
>>>Al Cash
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Denis Seguin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 9:41 AM
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: [TN] rules
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>Does IPC have rules about smoking in electronic manufactures?
>>>I know about static, clothing and controlled environment, but what about
>>>smoking?
>>>
>>>If yes, what document.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>Denis
>>>
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