Excellent suggestion but I suggest some other section.
Process related
legislation
environmental
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bradley Edwin-EEB002 <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: 09 November 1999 15:57
Subject: Re: [LF] Environmental risk from CRT's?
> maybe we should divide this lead-free forum into two forums
> 1) anti-lead free lobbying
> 2) lead-free solutions.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bund Martin-marbund1 [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 9:25 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [LF] Environmental risk from CRT's?
>
>
> "...if this project is enacted, the world electronics industry will be hard
> hit, possibly causing the increased costs..."
>
> Everyone except the Japanese (forgot about those guys?), whom are running
> lead free products at this time to cost and within agreed timescales, more
> to be introduced I understand, pity because it constrains an otherwise
> entertaining dialogue below to that of fantasy.
>
> Remember, there is no such thing as fear, only lack of understanding.
>
> Any updates on lead free trials?
>
> Regards,
> Martin.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Ellis [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 09 November 1999 09:36
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [LF] Environmental risk from CRT's?
>
>
> Guenter
>
> I agree with 10 000 000% that the problem is purely political. About 8
> years ago, as I remember, the same problem happened in the USA but it
> never came to fruition because industry lobbied Congress and the act did
> not pass.
>
> OK, so what can we do? The proposed WEEE directive is a project and
> concerted lobbying can still block it entirely or cause significant
> modifications to be made. It still has to be adopted by the European
> Parliament. If nothing is done by industry, it will not even be debated
> in Parliament, it will be enacted, along with a hundred others because
> Parliament cannot debate every single one. Every trade organisation
> should alert every European Member of Parliament (EMP) and every member
> of the parliaments or equivalents of all the member states (MP) that, if
> this project is enacted, the world electronics industry will be hard
> hit, possibly causing the increased costs involved to cause increased
> unemployment (a very sensitive point) and to cause essential
> electronics, such as in weapons systems and aircraft or used in medical
> life-supporting apparatus, to become less reliable. Then, every
> manufacturing or importing company and individual within the EU should
> write to their/his national MP AND EMP that the individuals have helped
> to elect stating the hardships that would touch them directly, should
> the directive be enacted. Some MPs and EMPs who are sympathetic to the
> problem should be identified and briefed in further detail, so that they
> can raise the problem with some detail for debate in national and
> European parliaments, so that every attempt can be made, democratically,
> for this technocratic procedure to be nipped in the bud. However,
> because of the emotional issues involved, it is unlikely that any action
> will succeed in doing more than sending the issue back to the
> technocrats for severe revision but, next time round, the notion of
> lead-bearing solders may be acceptable provided that recycling
> procedures can be implemented. At the worst, it will give us a few more
> years of grace: at the best, it will allow us to continue status quo
> indefinitely. In these debates, Switzerland's and Germany's (also
> Sweden's??) experience in recycling, both politically and practically,
> should be given as examples.
>
> What else can be done? Let us suppose that the directive becomes law, as
> the current project. According to Art. 4 Para. 4, Member States can
> exempt the provisions (sub para b, ii) if the use is unavoidable. If
> many companies claim that the use of lead-bearing solder is unavoidable
> because of economic pressures, loss of reliability, inability to use
> low-temperature solders because they will not stand up to environmental
> testing, inability to use high-Sn alloys as they may weaken active
> components subjected to higher temperatures, inability to match TCs over
> the greater range, etc., then the Member States will be obliged to
> provide exemptions. There will then be a de facto situation whereby the
> directive will become virtually meaningless. Just a thought...
>
> Brian
>
> Guenter Grossmann wrote:
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > No need to fall in a trap, since I agree with you. See, I am in the funny
> > situation that I am involved into recycling of electronic waste, where
> > tin-lead is one of the easier problems and on the other hand I am
> > confronted with the request of industry to provide reliability data for
> > leadfree solder since no one believes that the EU bureaucrats can be
> > stopped.
> > Again: There is no scientific reason to stop the use of lead in
> solderings,
> > but the debate has left the scientific ground since long and is now
> > hoovering in the political clouds. I see little chance to change the EU
> > directive and there is no point in arguing how senseless the lead ban in
> > solder is. IT WILL COME. I feel too that it is ironic that now when we
> > established a working takeback / recycling concept in order to minimize
> the
> > impact on the environment we are forced not to use the substances we made
> > the concept for. That's politics.
> >
> > Cheer up Brian
> >
> > Guenter
> >
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