Carey, thanks for good advice, know HP have professionels, just not easy to come to right person and plas, Santa Rosa, OK will remember that. And jk, I don't bash doctors as persons (in fact I recommend more doctors here), no, what I mean is that you don't tell them that they have to stop working as if the still live on the uni. It's not the modern way to evalutate your bright ideas on your own for getting a bonus, you must also (and simultaneously)live together with the people who have to realize what you created in your mind. Your excellent hitech creation may otherwise be a nightmare to produce, may bleed out a lot of money from your company. Many more 'doctors' need just a little dirt under the nails so they can implant their products better. So, jk, I'm for doctors (we have some one hundred here!) but against selfish and protected work that give no cash in the end.
q.e.s.m.
/Ingemar

Another excellent shop is Hewlett-Packard (name changed recently???) in
Santa Rosa.  They know plating better than any one I know (including IBM).



>wow! blame the test vehicle for the failure on ESS (based on the
>daisychain...I assume you are doing qualification and failed in
>T/H/B)...Blame the Doctors too on the design ...gee, really should just let
>you "swim or sink" on your own...but, I do like Big blue and IBM-guys...do
>not want them got beatten for no reason at all!
>based on the limited information you provided, here is what I would do if I
>were you:
>(1) pay IBM ($)for Failure analysis...If it is SIR type of test vehicle
>(with daisychain), I think you may need LSI tester to pin point where is
the
>leak or short.  I believe they have a component lab and FA lab for doing
>outside work (at least used to be).
>(2) Pay IBM well ($$) for root cause analysis (you may have to open your
>material/process in order to get some real benefit of root cause.  "Window
>dressing" will lead you more costly FA).
>(3) Pay IBM more (big time $$$$) for training some of your personnel to do
>proper FA.  (be willing to spend sleepless nights to make sure you
>understand the steps and why!)...send someone with background in FA and
>design/process...Believe me, it is a good investment...You may have to sign
>some non-disclosure agreement.. watch what you sign...(you may sign off
your
>day dream and nightmare too)..
>(4) look like so far the only 2 people replied your e-mail are Dr.s! stop
>bashing us... you may need us someday (like as a drinking buddy).
>                                jk

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