Mike,
I would really like to see the data that shows that a bus puts out more
pollution than 40 cars.  The only way I can envision this is that it would
be due to the cars being driven to work and back, but left off while you are
working, while the bus is running, say for sake of our discussion, 12 hours
straight and while you are at work it is only carrying a handful of people.
And as always we have not taken into account other things like more jobs
created for bus drivers and mechanics, fewer retail jobs because the money
you would spend in shops you now spend on bus fare, less (or more?) wear and
tear on the roads, fewer accidents, less stress because the roads are not
clogged, the "cost" of your time spent waiting at bus stops and on and on
and ... you get the picture.  We never seem to look at the whole picture in
any of these discussions.

A cyclist may produce more CO2 (I find this hard to believe, but anyway) but
he/she is not spewing out nitrous oxides and PAN. Some ketones and aldehydes
but certainly nothing like a car, whether or not it is "catalyzed".   Show
me some data.

regards,
Bev Christian
Nortel Networks

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Fenner [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 10:05 AM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      Re: [TN] "Green" Technologies...
>
> No wager from me. Much as I regret it, rational thought and reasoned
> informed debate
> does not necessarily go with green.
>
> For example here in UK we are constantly being harangued to use public
> transport or
> cycle on the basis that this will reduce pollution.
> However the numbers reportedly show that trip for trip a cyclist produces
> more CO2
> than a catalysed car and that a bus full of people produces more pollution
> [from the
> bus] than it removes by those people leaving their cars at Home.
>
>
> [So my logical green suggestion is to give 3 people a lift and for them to
> all to
> hold their breathe on the drive to work....]
>
>
> Mike Fenner
> BSP, OX15 4JQ, England
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen R. Gregory <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 10 August 1999 00:12
> Subject: [TN] "Green" Technologies...
>
>
> >Hi ya'll!
> >
> >This may be a little off-topic, but I've got a little wager with someone
> that
> >the thought behind "Green" Technology is really a bust. You know for
> example,
> >the monitors that shut themselves off after a certain period of time may
> well
> >save a few fractions of a cent in power consumption, but the stress of
> >powering down and up, and down and up, and so on, causes the life of the
> >monitor to be considerably shortened.
> >
> >Somehow, this person has calculated that if everybody in the company
> shuts
> >their computers off everynight, and then reboots them every morning,
> there
> >will be a $3,500 a year savings in electricity. My take on it is that the
> >$3,500 in electricity savings will be overshadowed by the cost of failed
> >motherboards and associated hardware from the 'pooters powering up and
> >down...am I out to lunch on this? (If I am, I owe a lunch...hehehe)
> >
> >-Steve Gregory-
> >
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