You know, I wonder why we are even discussing this. How long do we expect computers to
last in this ever evolving computer age.  6 months ago I upgraded my home computer with
a 440LX motherboard and 300Mhz Celeron. Yesterday I ordered a 440BX motherboard with a
400Mhz Celeron. In another 6 months or so I plan to replace the Celeron Processor with
a Pentium 3 (once pricing becomes reasonable) or one of these new Celeron's with the
100Mhz bus speed that I hear rumors of. About the only thing I don't upgrade at least
once every two years might be the monitor (although I suspect that my current monitor
is the next thing to become obsolete).

Brian

"Robert D. Green" wrote:

>      My 4 (or 5) Cents:
>
>      1. I don't know anyone (out of a considerable group of computer owners
>      / users) that really utilizes the "green" functions, but DO know a
>      large group of the same people that have shut off the same functions
>      as a "nuisance"
>
>      2. Yes, there is more stress caused by starting up and shutting down.
>
>      3. Yes, if there are enough people in the company, and the majority
>      shut down their computers, of course there will be some savings.  The
>      same applies to any electronic devices and the lights in the ceiling.
>
>      4.  Well now... lets look at this $3500 - this is roughly the cost of
>      the "hardware" portion of two of the average corporate PCs (assuming
>      ave. cost of $1700)  Also, we would be short sighted if we didn't
>      factor in lost time due to computers being down, lost work on bad hard
>      drives that has to be redone (nobody ever backs up this stuff do
>      they?), and the cost of having and I.S. group to support these
>      things....
>
>      ... hmmm, making up the $3500 in computer costs is easy, but it's
>      harder to ascribe the death of computer parts to the turn on /
>      shutdown routine.  I would suspect that more computers die from line
>      surges, drops and spikes than from the wear and tear of the on/off
>      cycle.
>
>      So, the big opinion: I agree with you Steve, but for the sake of this
>      bet, you'd better go Dutch Treat 'cause it's a hard one to prove.
>
>      Rob Green
>
>      PS: Have your bettor figure in the cost of the additional current flow
>      required to charge up those monitors and PC's after shutting them down
>      when you restart them vs. the cost of having them in a quiescent mode.
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> Subject: [TN] "Green" Technologies...
> Author:  "Stephen R. Gregory" <[log in to unmask]> at smtplink-hadco
> Date:    8/9/99 7:11 PM
>
> Hi ya'll!
>
> This may be a little off-topic, but I've got a little wager with someone that
> the thought behind "Green" Technology is really a bust. You know for example,
> the monitors that shut themselves off after a certain period of time may well
> save a few fractions of a cent in power consumption, but the stress of
> powering down and up, and down and up, and so on, causes the life of the
> monitor to be considerably shortened.
>
> Somehow, this person has calculated that if everybody in the company shuts
> their computers off everynight, and then reboots them every morning, there
> will be a $3,500 a year savings in electricity. My take on it is that the
> $3,500 in electricity savings will be overshadowed by the cost of failed
> motherboards and associated hardware from the 'pooters powering up and
> down...am I out to lunch on this? (If I am, I owe a lunch...hehehe)
>
> -Steve Gregory-
>
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