Best way to find out is to put it through it's paces and see. Kic should
have systems connected to ovens at their HQ in San Diego, or set you up
with someone using their systems in your area to work with. As a
contract shop, we run a variety of boards, both high and low density. I
have found the Predictive Profiling to be accurate within 5 degrees of
actual in most all cases. Can't really ask for much better than that....
Mike McMonagle
PCA Process Engineering Supervisor
K*Tec Electronics
1111 Gillingham Lane
Sugar Land, TX 77478
(281) 243-5639 Phone
(281) 243-5539 Fax
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Chan [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 5:24 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] Thermal Profilers
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> i have some questions regarding your success with the Kic Prophet
> Profiler.
> Kic has recently came to us demonstrating the Slim Kic II and the
> Prophet.
> The AutoPredict is one of the feature that caught my attention. We
> have
> been using Datapaq Reflow2000 and we have no success with the
> AutoPredict
> whatsoever. We like using it for profiling because it is a very
> reliable
> and low maintenance profiler. But the autopredict in datapaq does not
> even
> predict close to the desired temp in many of our products (can be off
> by
> 100F). This is largely due to the complexity and the variations of
> the
> boards we built. -- many with large shields and heatsinks, many with
> extremely dense components etc. We run more than 100 different
> products.
> Do you think the Kic Prophet AutoPredict will work with our products?
>
> William Chan
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: McMonagle, Michael R. [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 10:03 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [TN] Thermal Profilers
> >
> > Ryan,
> > I have used both Datapaq and Gold Moles in previous
> locations,
> > and have KIC Prophet and Wave Solder Optimizer here. I have been
> very
> > happy with both the KIC and the Optimizer in production.
> >
> > We are using the wireless KIC systems throughout the
> facility (4
> > lines, 8 ovens) and it's great not to have to hard cable and dump
> the
> > data into a PC after profiling. We are using the Predictive
> Profiling
> > feature and find it to be extremely accurate and a great time saver.
> We
> > can start with a generic profile, run the results through Prediction
> > based on what we want to realize in the optimum profile, make the
> > suggested changes to speed/temp and run one more time to validate.
> > Basically two passes and we're done. We are also starting to use the
> > Virtual Profiling function, which correlates your profile plot to
> the
> > temperatures measured by the permanent KIC thermocouples mounted
> within
> > the oven during actual production runs. Using this feature is a good
> > indicator that your process is within the control limits you have
> > established during your original profile. All of our KIC control PCs
> are
> > wired into our network for printing purposes, and we are working to
> > output the Virtual Profiling screens in real time to our intranet
> for
> > 'hands-off' process monitoring. All in all a very nice system.
> >
> > The Wave Solder Optimizer is also an excellent tool for
> creation
> > of wave profiles and regular validation of critical machine/process
> > parameters. I have found that it is not quite as accurate for
> measuring
> > preheat effect on topside board temperature as thermocouples
> attached to
> > a board, or an infrared pyrometer. This is due to the thickness of
> the
> > carrier laminate soaking up more heat than a real board. However,
> you
> > normally have a decent process window for topside temperature, so
> it's
> > not really an big issue. It does offer all other required functions
> such
> > as wave time/temp, depth of contact, parallelism of wave, etcetera.
> It
> > also can hold four data sets, so you don't have to run to the PC to
> dump
> > data continually. It also can display the data on the profiler
> itself in
> > rudimentary form to assist in analysis without going to the PC. The
> PC
> > data output manipulation is pretty good, hard data as well as
> graphs.
> > Overall, another good tool to make our lives a little easier.
> >
> > Mike McMonagle
> > PCA Process Engineering Supervisor
> > K*Tec Electronics
> > 1111 Gillingham Lane
> > Sugar Land, TX 77478
> > (281) 243-5639 Phone
> > (281) 243-5539 Fax
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ryan Chase [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 9:33 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: [TN] Thermal Profilers
> > >
> > > Good day,
> > >
> > > I am currently searching for a thermal profiler. We currently
> have
> > > an Electrovert EPK wave solder and we are just determining which
> > > reflow oven we are going to purchase. I would like to find the
> right
> > > combination to profile both of these machines.
> > >
> > > My choices are:
> > >
> > > Wave Solder Optimizer & Datapaq
> > > Mole & Waverider
> > > Kic profiler
> > >
> > > My question is basically, what do other people use? The
> functioning
> > > of the unit is basically the same all around but the software is
> the
> > > important part. I have used moles in the past and I downloaded
> the
> > > Kic demo. Has anyone used the Datapaq profiler?
> > >
> > > Do I need a special profiler for the wave?
> > >
> > > Any help is appreciated.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Ryan Chase
> > > Manufacturing Engineer
> > > GE Harris
> > > 403-214-4502
> > > [log in to unmask]
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