are you sure that the "Panasonic" is not a KME Create, which is another
manufacturer owned by Panasonic's parent company.
ARIC PARR
Sr. Manufacturing Engineer
Eaton Corp
1400 S. Livernois
P. O. Box 5020
Rochester Hills, Mi 48308-5020
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To: Aric Parr@01635@Lectron_RH,
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I have to admit I am not familiar with the Panasonic CM88C-M???? I have
even
looked thru my Panasonic literature, and we used to run all Panasonic
machines
when I was in a previous life (just a few months ago), and still cannot
find
this model. I think for comparison purposes, the Panasonic MSH-III is more
comparible to the FUJI 642...both are high-speed chip-shooters with vision
recognition, although the Fuji is rated at 36,000 CPH and the Panasonic at
48,000 CPH...not sure how true the ratings are, but one thing of importance
to
review is how fast they can place the larger components in their range.
We have just completed an exhaustive study of the Fuji CP-642 and the
Universal HSP machines. It was exhaustive because they are both good
machines,
as are the two names you have chosen to compare.
Here is what I have learned after going thru this exercise:
1) Determine first, what are the most important requirements for your
application:
Speed of chips, or larger parts (SOIC's,etc.), or both?
Will there be platform issues, i.e., if you mix models (chip shooter
different
platform then your flex placer), can your programming staff handle
balancing
each machine individually(not a big deal if you are high volume/low mix),
or are
you willing to invest in a mix-platform software programming pkg like
Cimmbridge
or Unicam?
Do you require bar-code verification? There is a DRASTIC difference in
the
bar-code methods and cost between the two companies!
Head design: We actually had our technicians travel to the companiies sites
and
pull-apart the heads on the machines so we could understand the design and
see
if there were design or repair issues.
Does the machine have a method of closed-loop feedback, that can
determine
part pick-up offsets, and auto-adjust for this.
How many machines of this model have been sold, and where are they?
Also, travel around a little to other companies using each machine type,
and
call others. Discuss with them their favorite and most unpopular things
about
their machines, and you will learn info about:
Technical support, spare parts support.
Reliability: How robust is the machine design...what happens of you miss
a PM
schedule? How many different lubricants are required for a PM cycle? (We
have
one machine that required 11 different grease-gun tips, 4 different greases
and
2 oils!).
FEEDER DESIGN!!! reliability, method of ACCURATE re-alignment of feeders
and
ease of change-over.
Just a few examples to get the thought process flowing. Feel free to
contact
me if you would like more info. Good luck!
Jeff Hempton
United Technologies Electronic Controls
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Subject: [TN] CP642 vs CM88-CM or Fuji vs Panasonic
Author: My Nguyen <[log in to unmask]> at Internet
Date: 7/20/98 6:42 PM
Dear TechNet members,
We are looking for a new platforms which help us to be more comparative.
80%
of our products are memory modules. By observing the two best machines on
the market, we really hesitate to make a final decision: Fuji or Panasonic?
CP642 or CM88C-M.
Please advise!! What are the better feature between them? Your help is
truly
appreciated (Sell guys always tell me that their products are perfect and
it
just more confusing)
My Nguyen
My Nguyen
Viking Components Inc.
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688
(714) 643 7255 @374
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