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Michael Weiner <[log in to unmask]>
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 Hi Werner
   I haven't got a copy of the 6013 document so I cannot
    comment on the text you refer to .
   As a user  of flexibles I would  sure appreciate
    a guiding  kind of table suggesting or defining  parameters
    for selection between  applications like  "flex to install"
    and "continuos flexible operation".
   Another thing that confuses me in the present document
   "ipc-fc-250" is the discrepancy between para. 3.8.3:
    conductor width reduction of no more than 20 % .
    While para. 3.8.4 sends you to table 8 where class 2 product
     is allowed to have only  30% remaining width;
     for added confusion table 20 defines 20% reduction
    as a "major defect".
    Can you immagine what a 20 or 30 persent reduction in conductor
    does to a controlled impedance line ? not mentioning 50 or 60
    persent !
    I might be misunderstanding,  but clear definitions
    will  make things simpler and  not open to any interpretations.

  Thanks,
   Mickey

Engelmaier wrote:

> Hi TechNetters,
> We just finished discussing copper foils and the shortcomings observed in
>  product.
> Currently, a new IPC document, IPC-6013, Qualification and Performance
>  Specification for Flexible Printed Wiring, is being circulated for comments.
> In it, under 3.2.5 Metal Foils, "copper foil should be in accordance with IPC-
>  MF-150, which is modified in 3.2.6.2 Copper with "the tensile strength shall
>  be no less than 245 MPa and the elongation shall be no less than 12%."
> While the modification is a step in the right direction, it should be part of
>  section 3.2.5, not detached from it. Technically, requiring an elongation of
>  12%, rather than the 2 or 3% minimums in MF-150, is also appropriate. However,
>  why specify elongation.  For comparative and process control purposes,
>  elongation is fine, however, it has long been recognized as an inadequate way
>  of determining the actual ductility of foils. From a sample geometry of foil
>  tensile test samples makes the measurement of ductility by this method
>  impossible.  Further, the results are highly dependent on testing technique.
> That is why ASTM  E 796, "Standard Test Method for Ductility Testing of
>  Metallic Foil" and IPC-TM-650, Test Method 2.4.2.1,“Flexural Fatigue and
>  Ductility, Foil,”  were developed.
> I urge interested TechNetters to ask for the following TECHNICAL CHANGES:
> (1)  Ductility as per TM 2.4.2.1 should be specified;
> (2)  Combine Sections 3.2.5 and 3.2.6.2;
> (3)  Include Table A1 'Applications Guide for Copper Foil' which distinguishes
>  between the difference needs for 'Flex-to-Install' and 'Continuous Flexing',
>  or something like it.
>
> Werner Engelmaier
> Chairman, IPC Product Reliability Committee
> Past Chairman, IPC-MF-150 Task Group
>
>
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