Hello.
Yesterday we had our first chat session using IPC's new chat service,
which is being tested currently (see the attached log of the session).
All participants expressed interest in the new service and felt that it
can be a valuable tool for the Electronic Interconnection Industry.
Several people reported problems connecting to the IPCchat page. Let me
remind you of the address:
http://www.ipc.org/IPCchat/IPCchat.html (case sensitive)
Also you can access it using the text link from our home page at
http://www.ipc.org
I will be on the chat tomorrow, Friday 17th, at 10:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m
Central Standard Time. You are welcome to join me and ask questions or
discuss the industry-related topics.
If anyone has an idea for the chat discussion topic - feel free to post
on the TechNet or other forums along with the time you plan to start
(please specify the time zone you are in)
For time conversion visit http://poisson.ecse.rpi.edu/cgi-bin/tzconvert
or use a text link on the IPCchat page.
If you plan to participate, please try to connect to the Chat site before
the chat session to confirm the connectivity. Call me at 847-509-9700 if
you will have any problems doing that.
Thank you.
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Dmitriy Sklyar
Electronic Communication Manager
IPC
2215 Sanders Road
Northbrook, IL 60062-6135
voice 847-509-9700 ext. 311
fax 847-509-9798
e-mail [log in to unmask]
URL http://www.ipc.org
http://www.eecs.uic.edu/~dsklyar
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>> Dmitriy has joined channel #IPC_Chat
The topic is: IPC Printed Circuit Board Industry Chat
>> cb has joined channel #IPC_Chat
>> Tom has joined channel #IPC_Chat
Dmitriy> hello Tom
[Tom] Hi Dmitriy...this is Tom Coyle from HADCO. Is anyone else here
yet?
Dmitriy> nope, only us...
[Tom] I'd just like to share with you that you have been a welcome
addition to the various IPC Nets.
[Tom] Thanks for fixing those problems for us as they happen.
Dmitriy> Thanks
Dmitriy> did you have any troubles logging in?
[Tom] I had to enable my Java, and when I first tried, it
failed...something about authentification failed. I got in on the second
try though. I wasn't sure what to put for name. I am using AOL, since
HADCO's e:mail doesn't support web surfing!
Dmitriy> are you using AOL browser?
[Tom] Beats the heck out of me...I have AOL for WIN'95. The screen is
the typical AOL screen, not Explorer.
[Tom] What is the "Click on next" button for in the lower right corner?
>> zoie has joined channel #IPC_Chat
Dmitriy> hi zoie
[Tom] Hi Zoie
[Tom] {S welcome
>> cb has joined channel #IPC_Chat
[Tom] Hello again, cb
[cb] Hello out there, anybody here?
Dmitriy> Dmitriy to cb, Dmitriy to cb, comin please..
Dmitriy> that was suppose to be funny...
[Tom] This is Tom Coyle from HADCO Corporation. Who are you and where
are you from?
[cb] Sorry, I was off line too long and this thing timed out on me. I'm
here Dinitry!
[cb] Is there some way to enlarge the a screen area this Chat Room takes
up? I'm going blind looking at this little bitty window.
Dmitriy> our conference officialy strarts at 11, so we can fool around
'till tahat time..
[cb] Have you been using this program, Dimitry?
Dmitriy> zoie, cb, what software dou you use?
[Tom] So what is the "Click on next" button in the lower right corner
for?
Dmitriy> yes, quiet a lot
Dmitriy> this is just an add...
Dmitriy> this is a test page provided for free, so it has their adds.
[cb] Good morning to you too, Tom and Zoie
[Tom] Hi cb. Does anyone care to share who they are and what they do?
[cb] Can the display area be enlarged with this version?
[Tom] I'm glad I have my bifocals on! LOL
Dmitriy> no. If we'll buy our own engine, then it can be done.
[cb] I'm a Mfgr Engr in Stafford, Texas (next door to Houston)
[Tom] I am a field engineer for HADCO. We fabricate circuit boards.
[cb] I'm glad I bought glasses just for computer use...I'd have abroken
neck from trying to use my bifocals..... :-)
[Tom] I hear ya ;(
[cb] Has anyone tried Netscape's Chat program?
[Tom] 8-( there, I've got my bifocals on now!
[Tom] I have never used Netscape. I have AOL and MSN.
[cb] I have not used those services. At home I connect up thru our PC
user group here in Houston.
>> zoie has left channel #IPC_Chat
[Tom] Was it something we said?
[cb] I suspect she timed out from not typing anything.
>> fredp has joined channel #IPC_Chat
Dmitriy> could be...
[fredp] hello all, How do I know who is here?
[cb] Dimitry will probably go out soon too. I don't think this thing has
much patience with us....oops, you'r back
>> zoie has joined channel #IPC_Chat
[Tom] Now that there is a flat rate for service, AOL is a good buy.
$14.95/month if you sign up for two years. I am glad I kept MSN though,
because half the time I can't get on AOL.
Dmitriy> if you can reach AOL...
[Tom] Hi Fred P, there is a screen to the right that shows the attendees.
[fredp] Saw that after I entered that!!
[Tom] ah....hindsight..it's so much easier than looking at this screen!
LOL
[fredp] LOL?
[Tom] fredp...since there's no profile button, could you tell us about
yourself? LOL=lot's of luck, or sometimes lots of laughter
Dmitriy> There is a button "user info" on the top.. select a user and
click on it.
[fredp] Fred Pescitelli, Owner Phoenix Designs (Atl) and Pres Designers
Council
[fredp] And yourself
[cb] Hi Fred, and welcome back zoie
[cb] This is Charlie Barker, Mfgr Engr in Stafford, Tx
[Tom] Tom Coyle from HADCO..we fabricate boards [log in to unmask] (right
now I'm [log in to unmask])
[fredp] Am disapointed, Thought there would be more people on today.
[cb] 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....go Dimitry
Dmitriy> Thank you. The message is coming up...
[Tom] Dmitriy, the user info button seems to be bogus
Dmitriy> depends on the info you entered when logging.
[Tom] ah yes, can we amend that?
[cb] I think we are all being a bit cautious the forst time....
[Tom] Is everyone going to IPC Expo '97 in March?
[fredp] The forst time? We need an embeded spellchecker.
[Tom] I secind that
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[cb] That's what happens when your fingers gain too much weight.
[Tom] Test, now that's a real name for ya
[Tom] How are ya, Test?
[cb] Welcome test
[fredp] I can not make Expo but will be at PCB Conference and Designers
council Exe mtg.
Dmitriy> test is me, just tried something...
[Tom] Don't get testy, Dmitriy!
[cb] Perhaps he has a split personality?
Dmitriy> ha-ha-ha!
[Tom] Dmitriy is the hardest name to spell... test may be better! LOL
Dmitriy> i just have several computers...
Dmitriy> yeah, but it makes it stand out, isn't it?
[cb] Definite case of multiple personality disorder....
[fredp] I just tried to send a smilely face and it didn't like it.
[Tom] try a frowny
[Tom] 8-) you need glasses for this screen
[zoie] How long does it take before the message appears?
[cb] How can I do a CAPITAL 8 on this thing?
[fredp] Immeade
[fredp] spellig again
Dmitriy> (:)-@ how about a scuba gear?
[fredp] Come again
[fredp] The response time seems great
[Tom] yes it does
[cb] Well, what issues on board design, building abd stuffing are we
going to resolve today?
[Tom] how come I have a carat > instead of brackets { }?
Dmitriy> we don't have too many people here yet..
[cb] Because you are you.
[cb] I have carets on my machine and you have brackets on my machine.
[Tom] so the screen is unique (uneek) to each of us?
[cb] I guess...
[cb] I have a 17" monitor and the whole working area for this is abt 5.5"
x 2"
[Tom] woe is me, Charlie...I have a 15 incher here at work
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[Tom] {S welcome
[luis] thanks, hi
[cb] Hello luis
[Tom] Where ya from, Luis?
[fredp] Welcome Luis tell us about yourself
[luis] I'm from Barcelona, Spain
Dmitriy> if nobody minds, i will wait with the introduction a few minutes
untill more people join...
[fredp] Luis , What time is it in Spain?
[Tom] that sounds ok ...we're just trying to pass the time
[cb] ? Como Estad Usted, Lusi
[luis] Now is 19:00
[cb] Oops...fat fingers again...
[luis] muy bien, I think u can help me with my english
>> test has left channel #IPC_Chat
[Tom] you seem to be fluent in the English language, Luis
[fredp] Good Morning! Its Lunch time in Atlanta, Thans Dmitry for
scheduling at this time.
[luis] i have some problems writing
[luis] but not reading
[fredp] I think we all do.
[Tom] yeh, Dmitriy, everyone knows that EST is the main time zone! LOL
[Tom] hewked on fonix werked fer me
[cb] Don't count on this too much for a serious English lesson, Luis, it
will probably have a lot of hash thrown in too.
[Tom] Fred, I believe I've seen you on the Technet from "Mindspring",
correct?
[fredp] Dmitriy, Good job we will use this for Designers Council Mtgs. Do
we need to reserve or somthing?
Dmitriy> it would be helpful.
>> zoie has left channel #IPC_Chat
[fredp] Can this be captured to a text file?
[luis] At whot time opens the bar
Dmitriy> The servis eis up all the time
Dmitriy> sorry. fat fingers
[Tom] are you picking up the bill, Luis?
[fredp] Regards <Out to Lunch>
>> fredp has left channel #IPC_Chat
Dmitriy> so, how do you like it so far?
Dmitriy> Hello everyone. My name is Dmitriy Sklyar,
Dmitriy> I am an electronic communication manager for IPC.
This is a test run of the IPC Chat servise.
We need to determine how useful this servise can be for the
industry before we make a conciderable investment in the software and
hardware.The decision will be based on response genarated, so send your
opinion to the address below the main field.
Starting after this message all entrees will be logged and
posted on the TechNet and other forums later. Since it is a live chat,
please don't pay mutch attention to the spelling errors... I'll be online
'till 12:30, so if you have any questions - feel welcome to ask... The
appearance of hte chat page will be different if we'll buy the chat
engine.
[Tom] what main field?
[cb] zoie, where are you located?
[daver] Will there be chat rooms for specific topics
Dmitriy> Yes, upon request
[daver] How will they be requested?
Dmitriy> via e-mail
[daver] How will we announce time and topics to everyone? Through the
Technet?
Dmitriy> we'll have a list of presently running sessions...
[Tom] Hi everyone, and welcome to IPCchat. My name is Tom Coyle and I am
a field services engineer for HADCO Corporation. We are a circuit board
fabricator. Can everyone introduce him/herself?
Dmitriy> requests will go to me
[Tom] There are lots of shy people in this chat room!
[daver] My name is Dave Roesler. I work for TRI-C Design, Inc., a flex
circuit design house. I used to work at Infinite Graphics, a PWB service
bureau and software supplier
[zoie] back after getting some (more) lunch from the canteen
[Tom] I think it would be beneficial if the chats were held at a later
time in the day
[luis] My name is Antonio Daniel. I'm chemist , and I work for Lab
Circuits in Barcelona Spain
Dmitriy> you can use this servis eany time for discussions on any PSB
topics.
[cb] I am Charlie Barker, Mfgr Engr at Input/Output Stafford, Texas
[Tom] Now I've heard of PWB, and even PCB, but PSB????
Dmitriy> oops... PCB
Dmitriy> Printed Circuit Board...
[daver] I see how the chat sessions will work. It looks like it might
have potential. I am going to log off and get back to work. I am
certainly interested in joining chat sessions on specific topics.
[zoie] Dick Pond, Schlumberger, interested in board assembly
[cb] Dick, are you down the road from me?
[Tom] I second Dave's comments. I would be interested in future formal
chats.... and welcome Dick!
[zoie] no, but we have a big facility near you
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[cb] There have been some very interesting posts on Intrusive Reflow
lately..any of you used it?
[zoie] no
[niagara] hello I'm back, I had to answer some questions
[Tom] I've seen the postings, but no, we build bare boards.
[niagara] perhaps to prompt somemore coversation, could you explain
intrusive reflow?
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Dmitriy> hello Michael
[niagara] I'm a PCB designer, so my experience is more in circuits and
design, less in fab and process
[Tom] Welcome, Michael! Where are you from?
[niagara] Hello Michael
[cb] Its a method of soldering thru-hole components in a reflow oven at
the same time you solder smt parts.
[Michael] Harris Corp in Melbourne
[cb] Hello Michael....
[niagara] thanks for the answer, that does seem unusual, how does the
solder get placed for the through hole
[cb] Michael, is that Melbourne, as in Florida, or in Australia?
[Michael] Florida
[luis] I hope to see u in the next chat. Adios
[cb] niagara, the solder is deposited in paste for on the thru-hole pads,
usually by stenciling, at the same time it is placed on the smt pads.
[Tom] There has also been alot of excitement and talk lately about
microvias (in the neighborhood of a .004" via in an .008" pad. Goodbye
Luis!
[Michael] see you guys...have to put out a fire
[niagara] hope to hear from you soon luis
[cb] Goodby Luis, keep those atoms and molecules under control!
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[Tom] See ya Michael
[cb] Tom, how thick of a board can you put such a via in reliably?
[Tom] Thickness overall is not a concern. The thickness of the microvia
layer to the next layer is minimal....around 1 1/2 to 2 mils.
[cb] Is this part of the "Bliond and Buried Via Technology?"
[Tom] This is accomplished in one of four ways: PDV (photo-defined vias)
using LPI (liquid photoimageable) dielectric; the Dykostrate process
(plasma defined); IBM SLC (same as PDV but with a dry film); and laser.
HADCO is positioned and licensed to do all 4 technologies, especially now
that we have acquired Zycon, who has done laser work. There are only 4
stateside vendors who offer Dykostrate.
[niagara] I have to get back to work, see you later I hope. I liked the
experiment, seems like it would be good for specific topics. In general
chatting is a little scattered.
[Tom] Unfortunately, chat rooms always encounter scattered chat and delay
times. Thanks for joining us, Niagara!
[cb] I think Dimitry timed out. I will be leaving soon too.
Dmitriy> im back
[cb] Speak of the devil and look who pops up..................
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[Tom] me too, in fact right now. It's been a pleasure chatting with you
all. See you next time!
[Tom] {S goodbye
Dmitriy> bye
>> Tom has left channel #IPC_Chat
[zoie] back on after a netscape fault kicked me off line
>> luis has left channel #IPC_Chat
[zoie] only three left
Dmitriy> OK. it was fun
[zoie] it will work
Dmitriy> i'll past this conversation on the IPC forums
Dmitriy> if you don't object...
Dmitriy> may be we'll get more people next time
[cb] Well, Dmitriy, looks like a slow start for the Chat Room sessions. I
can see some possiblities, but this sis probably going to require more
time that most Engineers can block out during a work day.
Dmitriy> not if they talk about specific topic...
[cb] true...
[cb] Dick, are you in the downhole tool building business too?
[zoie] the typical user is problem/solution oriented, not chat oriented
[cb] If so, do you do hi-temp smt?
[zoie] no, our sister division is, but I'm in electricity metering
[zoie] just -40 to 85C components
[cb] Dmitriy, have you seen any posting about hi-temp smt on technet?
Dmitriy> what is hi-temp?
Dmitriy> i maintain the TechNet, but i am not familiar wiht the industry
[cb] Assemblies that have to function in downhole applications where the
temperature reaches about 200 deg C.
Dmitriy> i'm just another wirehad...
[cb] Ok....Just a thought, you might want to try to set these up for
people with specific interests
Dmitriy> that is the main use...
[cb] e.g. I am involved with board assembly, but also have astrong
interest in bare board manufacturing to be able to qualify vendors.
[cb] That puts me across several disciplines
[cb] I am also involved with Designer's council and SMTA....
[cb] Too many irons in the fire!
[zoie] interesting working lunch today
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Dmitriy> hello
[reverma] hellow there
[cb] Well, I am going to step out and go look for my PB & J
sandwich....I'll monitor until I time out.
[cb] Hello reverma
[reverma] hello cb
[cb] and Batman
[reverma] So what is the chat of the IPC Printed Circuit Board Industry?
[Batman] Hello
Dmitriy> just the way you see it here, exept some specific topics will be
disscussed...
[zoie] I'll check any future plans on TechNet
Dmitriy> i'll keep you posted
>> zoie has left channel #IPC_Chat
Dmitriy> i'll post the entire conversation on the TechNet later...
[reverma] What happen to IPC-RB-276
Dmitriy> it's slow...
[Batman] Dmitri, I am the one that just called you about locating the
server at the address posted
[cb] Please, not all of it!
[reverma] Really, Earlier this morning I was the only one on here and I
pronounced all tolerances are now +/-.050
Dmitriy> ah, i see. what was the problem?
[reverma] Fabrication!!
[Batman] Don't know, I did the same as before and this time it worked
[reverma] Hey cb
Dmitriy> could be a connection problem...
[cb] yeh, man?
[reverma] Are they talking over our heads!
[Batman] Could be. In any case I'm off to the batcave. Just wanted to
check it out. Regards to all
Dmitriy> privaet chat is also available.
Dmitriy> ops... private i meant...
[reverma] What time is it there?
[cb] If Dmitriy is going to publish all of this, I'm going to get real
quiet...
Dmitriy> it's 12:14 p.m in Chicago
[cb] ditto in houston
[reverma] Ok. It is 1:14 in southern IN
[Batman] and it's 10:15 in Gotham City
[reverma] Publish the important stuff. Like what happened to IPC-RB-276
Dmitriy> yeah, i'll edit it...
[cb] and the microvias and intrusive reflow...
[cb] forget the weather and the bats.....someone might think we are batty
Dmitriy> we will be setting up times for specific topics.
[reverma] How will we be notified. Email?
>> Batman has left channel #IPC_Chat
Dmitriy> and i will not publish the batman part
[reverma] I got to go send out a job. Thank you!
Dmitriy> bye
>> reverma has left channel #IPC_Chat
[cb] Have a good one, rev...perhaps we'll see you later.
Dmitriy> he's allready out...
[cb] yeh, a day late and a dollar short again. The story of my life.
[cb] Well, I've got to work on creating some pick and place progams
off-line.
Dmitriy> bye
[cb] Have agood day, and I hope you can get this worked over into
something that folks will find usefull.
Dmitriy> thank you
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